I think you can opt to do it by Webcam now.

 

So you can operate a computer, you say? Oh.

 

Also bojo thinks depressed people should be in work. Up to him, it won't be a good reason. He'll force you into it.

A real vote is a binding one.

 

The first Scottish referendum had a % threshold. Brexshit would also have had one PLUD a 3 nation lock if it were binding and a VOTE. It wasn't and so it was just a glorified opinion poll. Sorry.

 

I can't think of a previous referendum which has had the sort of 'three nation lock' you suggest - can *you* name one?

 

I can't think of a previous referendum which has had the sort of 'three nation lock' you suggest - can *you* name one?

 

There have been so few x However it IS NECESSARY in a union, and one with massive population disparity between the four COUNTRIES. Want it to be binding? Okay. 3 nation lock plus a % threshold thanks.

Seems to me that rightwing English people see the country as England plus extras rather than a political union. (?)

Seems to me that rightwing English people see the country as England plus extras rather than a political union. (?)

 

Correct. Just look at Vidcapper!! It's a veery colonial view, which is no surprise from the far right that still like to bleat on about empire.

I can't think of a previous referendum which has had the sort of 'three nation lock' you suggest - can *you* name one?

We've only ever had one binding referendum.

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What does everyone think about Corbyn and his neutral position when delivering another referendum under a Labour government?

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They're recruiting more foreign Dr's so addressing the situation. Two of my wife's relatives are coming from Philippines soon.

They're recruiting more foreign Dr's so addressing the situation. Two of my wife's relatives are coming from Philippines soon.

 

The problem is THE TORIES HAVE SPENT YEARS PRIVATISING IT, AS BOJO HIMSELF WANTS. THEY ARE DESTROYING IT.

What does everyone think about Corbyn and his neutral position when delivering another referendum under a Labour government?

 

Fantastic. He is a true statesman and the only one capable of delivering us from this quagmire caused by the evil rich Tories and Farage.

I find it incredible Steve that you continue to argue on the basis of losers and winners as if politics was a zero-sum game. It’s not. It’s quite rightful to pursue policy that averts disaster and I wouldn’t trust any politician that does otherwise.

 

Soft Brexit is what would have been acceptable. Clearly that’s failed. Self-destructive courses to pursue some rhetorical corruption of an old vote is dangerous.

 

these years will prove the greatest ever argument against direct democracy

 

Maybe its because I'm from NI and that's the way politics is here but for me it undermines democracy. If there was a border poll here and the result came through to leave the UK there would be absolute civil war if it wasn't implemented and probably the same outcome if it was.

 

I also didn't say which type of way I support leaving the EU and I am not a supporter of a hard Brexit just the legitimacy of the 2016 vote. The point regarding averting disaster is important too but we are in this position because people would never vote for any deal with the current parliament and they know they can spoil the 2016 result by complicating it so much that we don't leave.

 

A GE for me is the only way of pushing a solid agenda through to move on.

Northern Ireland returned a REMAIN majority :lol:

So?

It's likely not the solution though. There will be no solid agenda pushed through on current polls, just as there was no solid agenda in 2017. The problem is that it's an all-consuming issue and we cannot run general elections on all-consuming issues. Our politics cannot survive all-consuming issues either.

 

My democratic take is this: Parliament is elected to be sovereign, which trumps direct democracy, when they ended up rejecting the negotiated deal, they decided on balance that it would not be in the interests of the country to take the results of their efforts to follow the vote. So at that point Brexit failed. If you start suspecting them of pushing an agenda it undermines the reason we have them. Therefore, despite the smoke & mirrors since, I'd argue that that is where we truly are. Democratically. The enactment of Brexit failed, we are stuck in limbo as the current government attempts to pursue their extreme version, and others attempt to stop them, and both are valid democratically.

 

The problem with the issue is that due to its protracted nature, it will go through twists and turns over the years, as we leave, after we leave, and public opinion will shift. Years, decades. Therefore, very much against the criticism of 'neverendums', since the people were consulted and ONLY because the people were consulted in the first one, I think what needs to happen is a SERIES of referendums during the process to ensure that the idea is still workable for the population at the time. It's massive constitutional change. It isn't supposed to be easy.

 

 

 

So it is anti democratic to pull them out of the EU due to a more populous state over a teeny tiny majority anyway? A non binding vote at that?

Why are people still pushing the idea that a democracy cannot change their mind?

As they like to pretend they got some massive majority and not one so feeble it collapsed as the older voters died off and the younger ones entered the roll!

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Laura Kuenssberg has sought out this man's Twitter page and encouraged people to troll him with abuse, for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Keeping in mind this is a man with a sick child in hospital who is a few days old.

 

I didn't fully realise what a nasty piece of work she actually is until this evening.

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Why are people still pushing the idea that a democracy cannot change their mind?

 

Exactly! Democracy is not a static thing, otherwise we wouldn't have general elections every few years or changes in governing parties.

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