Which just proves my point. In the absence of written rules, a Speaker just has to interpret vague principles and precedent.

 

 

Yes there should be set rules. As is being said now his rulings always seem to go against the Government whether he's intending that or not. There should be rules clearly defined for such matters so that it's not up to one man to decide.

 

Bercow says he's taken advice earlier from Parliamentary experts and believe his decision is right.

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Speaking in the Commons, Mr Bercow said he came to the decision on the basis of a parliamentary convention dating back to 1604.

 

He cited Parliament's rulebook, Erskine May, which says a motion that is the same "in substance" as a previous one cannot be brought back to the Commons during the course of a single parliamentary session.

 

The Speaker also said the circumstances around the motion had not changed, so his ruling was "necessary... to ensure the sensible use of the House's time and proper respect for the decisions that it takes".

 

He's taken the most reasonable course of action and it's yet another setback for BoJo. Accept, move on, find another way to try and destroy the country x

I'm surprised Mr Bercow is still the 'Speaker' to be honest.

 

 

Yes there should be set rules. As is being said now his rulings always seem to go against the Government whether he's intending that or not. There should be rules clearly defined for such matters so that it's not up to one man to decide.

 

Bercow says he's taken advice earlier from Parliamentary experts and believe his decision is right.

When he stood for the position (while Labour were in power) he said he would stand up for the rights of backbenchers even if it inconvenienced the government.

@1186219417836969984

 

The media, and politicians, really need to do a better job of explaining exactly what is happening and how Brexit isn't suddenly finished with the passing of this deal

Why would the one party state media do that? They are purposefully doing it to set it up as a big victory for the Etonian blustering aristocratic evil Tory turd.

The bill was debated on Saturday but wasn't VOTED ON and that's why the Government's calling his decision in to question. They say they're not asking for a full debate but just basically the vote.

Actually. It was voted on. The amendment that was successfully voted through passed the resolution as amended. Which is that the house withholds consent until the legislation is published and debated. To do anything else is a shameless abandonment of basic democratic principles

Did we all see today the joint letter from the Scottish & Welsh Governments about legislative consent motions and sufficient time to handle them and properly debate the legislation so please just be a grown up and sort the extension.

 

They also sent a signed letter to the EU, signed because they’re not children

Sending two letters was cringeworthy and embarrassing. Bojo should resign. Not fit for office.

Sending two letters was cringeworthy and embarrassing. Bojo should resign. Not fit for office.

 

 

I admit he can act a bit petulant and childish. I'm a bit like that. People say I never grew up and maybe he's the same. He's still a loveable rogue and buffoon though. As an MP said today, no-one can say his Premiership is boring as you don't know what he'll do next or what gaffe is coming. :)

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That's the danger of Boris, the perception of "nice, foolish Boris" when he's actually evil to the core and incredibly dangerous.

 

(Or I suppose would be if he had a working majority).

 

I agree with your other point though!

I admit he can act a bit petulant and childish. I'm a bit like that. People say I never grew up and maybe he's the same. He's still a loveable rogue and buffoon though. As an MP said today, no-one can say his Premiership is boring as you don't know what he'll do next or what gaffe is coming. :)

Those are not really the qualities I want to see in the PM at any time, let alone a time like this. Not that there is anything loveable about Johnson.

LOVABLE?!

 

HE IS VILE!!

That's the danger of Boris, the perception of "nice, foolish Boris" when he's actually evil to the core and incredibly dangerous.

 

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's evil. :o A bit foolish, childish and obstinate maybe and hates being beaten on anything. Rumours are that he has a nasty temper and F's and blinds and was ranting and raving about such as the DUP in No.10 the other day with staff getting a bit scared when he gets angry. Hate is a very strong word though. I'm sure he has some compassion as everyone has. If he was really evil I doubt he'd have got as far as he has in real life as it would show. Am not just defending him blindly anymore as Admin say I do, but he did win two Mayoral elections, was elected an MP twice, became Foreign Secretary, and elected party leader and PM by the Tory membership.

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(Or I suppose would be if he had a working majority).

 

 

Which he could have after the next election. Latest polls predict a Tory majority of 50-60. Not a huge majority but okay.

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He's still a loveable rogue and buffoon though.

 

He is NOT a lovable rogue / buffoon - he is an irritating git!

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's evil. :o A bit foolish, childish and obstinate maybe and hates being beaten on anything. Rumours are that he has a nasty temper and F's and blinds and was ranting and raving about such as the DUP in No.10 the other day with staff getting a bit scared when he gets angry. Hate is a very strong word though. I'm sure he has some compassion as everyone has. If he was really evil I doubt he'd have got as far as he has in real life as it would show. Am not just defending him blindly anymore as Admin say I do, but he did win two Mayoral elections, was elected an MP twice, became Foreign Secretary, and elected party leader and PM by the Tory membership.

He started his second mayoral campaign as the clear favourite but only won by a whisker. He has only been elected as an MP in rock-solid Tory seats. Even there, he saw his majority slashed at the last election.

 

Gordon Brown had a reputation for being short-tempered and was crucified for it by the press. Funny how they ignore it when it comes to Johnson.

Okay folks here's the bill in full. All 109 pages. Will any MP wade through all that? :rolleyes:

 

 

https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-2...lagreement.html

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Sky say there's still a way that Boris, as PM with backing of the UK Cabinet, and that's crucial, could take us out on 31st with no deal, Benn Act or not. He could declare a State Of Emergency for the UK which would mean troops on the street, Parliament suspended and curfews. We'd just crash out then. The Brexit Sec. Stephen Barclay still saying tonight that we'll leave on 31st which now seems impossible.

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