So who do you think Labour should go for next? Jess Philips is the first to say she'll stand.

 

John McDonnell has ruled himself out and says he won't be in the new leader's shadow cabinet either.

Voted Starmer and am certain it'll be him or Rayner. Don't think they should just go for a woman because they haven't had a female leader yet though.

 

Angela Rayner and RLB then for Shadow Chancellor and Home Secretary.

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Starmer is the viable candidate imo. I would be happy with Emily Thornberry however.

I don't really have a strong opinion here as I'm not that knowledgeable about most of these people but from what I've seen so far Starmer and Rayner seem like the most reasonable choices. Possibly leaning to Rayner because she represents the type of voters that Labour is going to need to win back to have any realistic chance of being back in contention to win elections (and finally having a female leader won't hurt x I'm not one to say they 'should' have a female leader just because, but I worry that if Starmer wins against a field that is predominantly female we'd see a lot of 'Labour is sexist!!1' smears).

I don't think the next leader will ever be PM anyway as they'll lose in 2024. It'll be the one after with a better chance.

Keir Starmer or Angela Rayner out of the current frontrunners.

 

I would like to see Jess Phillips as part of the shadow cabinet but I don’t think she would be right for leader.

As I've said in the other thread, the ideal candidate should be someone who is not intrinsically linked to the Corbyn project i.e didn't serve in his Shadow Cabinet or wasn't as prominent in it, represents a constituency in the North, preferably in a town rather than a university city (and definitely not in London), is able to build bridges to the more conservative-minded working class voters Labour lost in this year's election, and of course, should preferably be Catholic. I was surprised to learn that Rebecca Long-Bailey, one of the possible front-runners, matches at least two of those requirements (although not what I would deem the most important one).

 

I'd need to do a bit more research into Labour's candidates before I can say which one I would say would be a good replacement for Corbyn (it could end up being one that doesn't have any name recognition outside real politicos, I know Corbyn didn't prior to 2015), but given that the Corbyn machine has spent the last 4 years building up an infrastructure that makes it much easier for a Corbynista to become leader again (the rule changes now mean that a nomination need the support of just 10% of the Parliamentary Labour Party and 5% of constituency Labour Parties, which makes it both easier for a Corbynite to be elected by Labour MPs, and harder for more "centrist" MPs to get selected by a more Corbyn-minded membership), we're likely to see Corbynism sans Corbyn as the next leader - if it's Diane Abbott, it would not surprise me in the slightest.

My personal choice would be someone like Dan Jarvis or Yvette Cooper, but would be equally happy with the current favourites of Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner.

My personal choice would be someone like Dan Jarvis or Yvette Cooper, but would be equally happy with the current favourites of Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner.

 

 

 

Can't see Dan standing this time as he's Sheffield Mayor as well as being Barnsley Central MP.

Angela Rayner 100%. She feels totally right for the direction we need to go in to have the best chance of rebounding from this election's crushing and disappointing defeat.

 

I love Jess Phillips but she's not right for leader, I'd take Keir Starmer though. Much as I love Diane Abbott we don't need her as leader, she gets enough shit as it is, let alone as a leader!

Can't see Dan standing this time as he's Sheffield Mayor as well as being Barnsley Central MP.

 

He only JUST survived and now has a majority of just 3500 odd after The Brexit Party ran him quite close. Glad he's still there though - you're right it is unlikely, but I wouldn't completely rule it out.

Whoever gets it really has to have a clear-out of the Shadow Cabinet. So Abbott out and off the front-bench to start with. Another of my cousins in Penistone told me today that that the reason he voted Tory in Penistone, despite thinking Boris is an idiot, was because of "Corbyn who is anti-semitic and that Abbott idiot" His words not mine.

I'd like to see Chaos with Ed Miliband back in the Shadow Cabinet - he's still got a lot to offer IMO.

I'd like to see Chaos with Ed Miliband back in the Shadow Cabinet - he's still got a lot to offer IMO.

 

 

Rather David Miliband. Ed looks funny. :D

He only JUST survived and now has a majority of just 3500 odd after The Brexit Party ran him quite close. Glad he's still there though - you're right it is unlikely, but I wouldn't completely rule it out.

 

 

Would have loved it if the BP had got their only MP there. :D

A slight non-sequitur, but one of the good things (for me) about Jeremy Corbyn no longer being Labour leader is that I can finally enjoy "Seven Nation Army" again without having to hear that ruddy chant ever again. It has annoyed me for some time - the chant uses six syllables, whilst the main riff for "Seven Nation Army", quite famously, has 7.

McDonnell wants Rebecca Long-Bailey but definitely thinks it should be a female from the North.

A slight non-sequitur, but one of the good things (for me) about Jeremy Corbyn no longer being Labour leader is that I can finally enjoy "Seven Nation Army" again without having to hear that ruddy chant ever again. It has annoyed me for some time - the chant uses six syllables, whilst the main riff for "Seven Nation Army", quite famously, has 7.

 

:huh:

 

I know '7 Nation Army', but not the chant you refer to?

I have absolutely no idea about who is most electable so I'll just go for my favourite of those likely to be candidates: Dawn Butler. Angela Rayner or Lisa Nandy could be okay, maybe. Rebecca Long-Bailey would be a mistake.

:huh:

 

I know '7 Nation Army', but not the chant you refer to?

 

Oooooh, Je-re-my Cor-byn.