Among independent voters nationally:

 

Trump 50% (+4)

Biden 46%

*CNN*

 

Among independent voters in swing states:

 

Trump 59% (+25) (!)

Biden 34%

*CNN*

 

The last CNN poll before Bernie dropped out…

 

Among independent voters nationally:

Sanders 53% (+13)

Trump 40%

 

Demoflops.

I'd put money on Trump winning the election at this point ffs :drama:

I thought as the virus death rate continued to rise his time was shortening in office but saw a ch4 news article showing how old industrial areas are seeing a revival.

I'd put money on Trump winning the election at this point ffs :drama:

 

 

I hope you're right. May have a bet shortly.

I think this is very very mean of Trump. :(

 

 

It’s been a White House tradition for many decades: a first-term president hosts his immediate predecessor in the East Room for a ceremony to unveil the portrait of the former president that will hang in the halls of the White House for posterity. Republican presidents have done it for Democratic presidents, and vice versa — even when one of them ascended to the White House by defeating or sharply criticizing the other.

 

"We may have our differences politically," President Barack Obama said when he hosted former President George W. Bush for his portrait unveiling in 2012, "but the presidency transcends those differences."

 

Yet this modern ritual won’t be taking place between Obama and President Donald Trump, according to people familiar with the matter. And if Trump wins a second term in November, it could be 2025 before Obama returns to the White House to see his portrait displayed among every other U.S. president.

 

Trump is unconcerned about shunning yet another presidential custom, and he has attacked Obama to an extent no other president has ever done to a predecessor. Most recently he’s made unfounded accusations that Obama committed some unspecified crime.

 

For his part, Obama reportedly has no interest in attending any event with Trump.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... e-n1209676

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Can Biden not sabotage his chances of winning the presidency for like, FIVE SECONDS?

 

This is the problem with the way the Dem nomination shaking out the way it did, there's so many groups who have no choice but to vote for him, and he is under such little incentive to offer them anything.

:drama: I mean I don't get why a POC/Minority would vote for Trump but anyone from these groups who would've considered NOT voting for Biden isn't going to be impressed by this, it's very condescending. It's a bit like when some guy from Labour said on Question Time a while back that minorities should naturally vote Labour, there are other progressive parties like the Greens/Lib Dems/SNP/Plaid and Labour don't own us.

 

Biden is such an uninspiring and unimpressive candidate though, I can't blame the people who hate Trump and say they still won't vote for him.

Edited May 24, 20205 yr by Andrew.

this actually worries me. i fear we might have another four years of trump if this continues to fester

 

the human race's countdown to extinction has just shortened by a LOT

I can't see Trump not winning :( Apart from her being...a her and getting so much sexist hate, Biden is everything people hated about Hillary.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this election goes. Surely Trump wont win again!

I pray not, but Biden (who of course is the better of the two by a long way despite his flaws) I just can't see beating him. There's a part of me that worries that other left wingers who are anti-Trump but anti-Biden as well, many of whom have actually said they won't vote for Biden might actually tip the difference in a few swing states.

The candidacy of Biden sums up the lack of candidate from the democrats!

 

But the 100k deaths from covid and the current riots are hard to sum up politically how it will all play out!

Surely with Biden, the really important factor is who he selects as VP. Given his age, you would suspect he will only run for 1 term.. I agree he is a bit uninspiring, but it seems his team (at this stage at least) have probably noted where Hilary Clinton went wrong.

I'm of the opinion that if Hilary couldn't do it Biden can't! It'll be outside factors like the economy/riots/Covid that will affect the result now!

I'm of the opinion that if Hilary couldn't do it Biden can't! It'll be outside factors like the economy/riots/Covid that will affect the result now!

 

I think in hindsight Hilary is a much better candidate than Biden, but she fell in too many traps that Trump's team set for her. Biden might do the same too, too early to tell but it seems like his team are much better prepared. He needs to try and unify the hardcore Bernie fans too, you do feel like Andrew said that could be where it could inadvertantly give a helping hand to Trump.

I think in hindsight Hilary is a much better candidate than Biden, but she fell in too many traps that Trump's team set for her. Biden might do the same too, too early to tell but it seems like his team are much better prepared. He needs to try and unify the hardcore Bernie fans too, you do feel like Andrew said that could be where it could inadvertantly give a helping hand to Trump.

Hillary Clinton and her team may have assumed that there were limits to how low Trump would go. The last four years should be enough to convince Joe Biden's team that Trump will do whatever it takes to win.

At this point the truth is for Americans that nothing will change with Trump, and little will change with Biden, so go for the latter. The thing is, Biden's team may be pretty good, and they seem to be doing decently out of those riots, but even with that slam dunk they end up letting some shit like 'you should shoot protesters in the leg' through because Biden is a senile dolt. And should he get into office they need to supplement his outdated views with a team that will face and make actual changes or he/his VP will just lose it to the next Republican monster in 4 years.

 

There are plenty of strong VP candidates, I hope they pick a progressive because Biden himself already well covers the older swing conservatives, those that had any chance of coming over.

I can't see Trump winning the election now. The Coronavirus death numbers plus the heavy handed response to the protests is too big a hurdle for him to overcome I would have thought.

Couple of other national polls released today

 

Fox News

Biden 48

Trump 40

 

CBS News

Biden 47

Trump 43

 

He maintains his average lead of +6. I would be a bit concerned given the terrible 10 day news Trump has had he doesn't grow that lead as no matter how bad the news cycle gets he can't go much beyond +6.

 

Which means if Biden gets a bad news cycle, we're in the margin of error terrority where Clinton was. Trump's base might be small and shrinking but its bloody resiliant if anything.

I can't see Trump winning the election now. The Coronavirus death numbers plus the heavy handed response to the protests is too big a hurdle for him to overcome I would have thought.

 

 

From what I'm reading the US press, his best chance is still with the economy but now also with no second Covid wave and no daft Tweets in the last few weeks of the election. The first two may be out of his hands but the last is up to him. He'll have his core voters but he needs floating voters. Trump's expected to be down on 2016 with women and Independants and maybe the ethnic vote too after the protests. It's not looking good for him right now but still 5 months to go.

 

Biden's choice for VP is really important too now. He needs to pick up a lot of the black vote that Trump may lose after these protests.