Consider that 8 years of Obama disappointment got the Democratic party their first viable left-wing candidate in forever in Bernie. Maybe he didn't build upon it in 2020, but that was because this primary had an urgency of anti-Trumpism. There's a big left-wing millennial generation in America now.

 

Biden would come in with a fraction of the 'hope' that carried Obama. My gut is that it will take little for people to be disappointed in him, and as long as the left voices are working (and there seems to be a decent amount of progressives coming up through the Dem framework), then there's an opportunity there.

For as long as the current system remans in place, the chances of viable third party emerging are close to zero. The First Past The Post system makes it almost impossible.

aye, voting is not an endorsement of everything your candidate stands for, it's an avenue to help influence the country's direction, a short bit of time out of your day before going back to the real work - and even just talking electorally, voting downballot/voting locally (in a UK context) is far more important in terms of relevant impacts than the top level. Normally, the Trump cult has changed things a little.

 

Organising to resist the system will be so much easier under a Biden presidency than a reboldened Trump second term it's not even funny. And reclaiming/stopping the spread of the Republican hysteria among so much of the populace won't work while they're in power.

if nothing else (I don't normally share videos from left Youtube - though I watch loads because I'm cursed) but ContraPoints has made an excellent piece on this:

 

Omg she is amazing. Thank you for posting that.

Yeah but that is just typical alt-right tactics, anyone is who isn't alt-right is a socialist.

 

Just been watching the ITV news report on the election - Jesus wept. Someone rightly said, whatever the result there's going to be chaos.

 

I for one voted for chaos with Ed Milliband :lol:

 

Yeh Biden is your typical centre right democrat, basically like a Tory in the uk pre brexit

The most worrying thing for me is if it’s a 2000 style result and Trump encourages a march on the capital to protest and factions clash 😳

I'm sure it won't end well if the result is close, regardless of who wins. Biden is unlikely to really be able to make any significant change to the massive partisan chasm anyway, but fingers crossed a landslide win/denouncement of the vile right wing BILE of Trump and the current Republican party will at least see the centre ground return to debating things which are actually a debate rather than basic human rights.

So Sky News have sent Kay Burley over and she was moaning this morning that it was cold at 4.30am in DC. Think I'd cope if I was on 800k a year. She had two guests on who said Florida could go right to the wire with even recounts. Only twice since 1924 has it not backed the winner.

It’s amazing that you can still feel the cold on that wage :drama:

Not a swing state but still...

 

From CNN

 

In California Biden leads President Trump 65%-29%, one poll finds. That 36-point margin would top the 30-point advantage that Hillary Clinton amassed against Trump in 2016, the previous record for a Democrat. The only larger victory in state history came exactly a century ago, in 1920, when Warren G. Harding, the Republican, beat James Cox, the Democratic candidate, by 42 points.

So Sky News have sent Kay Burley over and she was moaning this morning that it was cold at 4.30am in DC. Think I'd cope if I was on 800k a year. She had two guests on who said Florida could go right to the wire with even recounts. Only twice since 1924 has it not backed the winner.

 

Ohio looks very close too and only once since 1944 has it not backed the winner.

 

Florida seems to be the only swing state where Trump is still doing decently in the polls.

 

 

If I lived in a state where the outcome was not in any doubt (California or Alaska, for example) then I would look to see if there were any alternative candidates worth voting for. If there was one, I'd vote for them. If nor, I'd vote for Biden.

 

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden without hesitation. I would even do so with a degree of enthusiasm although that would be enthusiasm for dumping Trump, not due to any particularly positive feeling towards Biden.

Basically how I feel!

Consider that 8 years of Obama disappointment got the Democratic party their first viable left-wing candidate in forever in Bernie. Maybe he didn't build upon it in 2020, but that was because this primary had an urgency of anti-Trumpism. There's a big left-wing millennial generation in America now.

 

Biden would come in with a fraction of the 'hope' that carried Obama. My gut is that it will take little for people to be disappointed in him, and as long as the left voices are working (and there seems to be a decent amount of progressives coming up through the Dem framework), then there's an opportunity there.

 

In other words, #AOC2024

In other words, #AOC2024

 

 

I still think it'l be a bit too early for her. 2028. If Biden's elected this time I can see it being Kamala in 2024.

Biden has visited Georgia today. That is generally fairly safe Republican territory so a Democrat candidate wouldn't normally go there a week before polling day.

In other words, #AOC2024

 

AOC vs ACB 2024? :lol: No but I do think the Republican party will finally choose a female candidate for President in 2024 perhaps in reaction to Trump's much reported deficit among female voters.

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by Salty Melody

The debate over Trump vs Biden isn’t a classic left v right debate. Moderate republicans are reluctantly hanging Trump dry, his narcissism is off the scale and is toxic for American democracy.

 

It’s irrelevant if you like some of his economical policies. If you’re willing to turn a blind eye to his racism, the mountain of rising corpses, his unbelievable lack of intelligence, disregard for science,empathy and Christ the list goes on, I refuse to listen/understand/comprehend. You’ve had four years to see the experiment predictably blow up and cause entrenched divisions - and you’re willingly dragging everyone else down with you into the gutter.

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by ScottyEm

In other words, #AOC2024

 

If only

Biden has visited Georgia today. That is generally fairly safe Republican territory so a Democrat candidate wouldn't normally go there a week before polling day.

 

Polling is fairly good for him there - plus id imagine the idea is to boost turnout for downballot Dems - though the closest senate race is all but certain to go to a runoff even if the Dems “win” the vote in November.

Yeah I'd think his visit to Georgia is as much if not more for the Senate seats as it is for himself - Georgia has both of its Senate seats up for election this time and they're both competitive (although who knows what the dynamic will be for the special election that will be going to a runoff unless there is an act of God).

 

Kamala Harris has gone to Texas as well though. So perhaps they are just extremely confident they've got the most important states in the bag.

This, from a DS poster, is what relatively new Canadian polling company Leantossup thinks. They correctly predicted the last UK elections and the last two Canadian elections.

 

Electoral Votes:

 

Biden: 413

Trump: 125

 

Pop Vote:

 

Biden: 54.5%

Trump: 43.5%

Other: 2%

 

Chance of Winning:

 

Biden: 97.4%

Trump: 2.4%

Tie: 0.2%

 

 

Wow is all I can say. :(

Edited October 28, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris