I think you're confusing me with someone else, I have never lived in the UK :kink:

 

But I don't think you need to live in the UK to see the mentality towards the government.

It's been a mess and a half because the government is a damn mess.

 

Around here the GP also listens to the media quite a bit but at least around here they are reporting facts and don't downplay serious issues

Oops, sorry. I did indeed think he was responding to someone else :ph34r:

I just had to stop for a moment and realise how unbelievably rude you are. Especially for a new member.

 

By explaining the thought process of how some of the UK public are to someone who does not live in the country when they were asking the question?

 

Perhaps not get involved without reading the previous comments on it. Thanks for saying I’m rude though given you seem utterly vile yourself.

The UK figures do include deaths in care homes but those figures are a few days behind. They only started to include them at all a couple weeks ago. Funnily enough, at that time the government didn’t mention the fact that some countries had been including those all along.

 

Most countries, including the UK, are only including people who had tested positive for CoVid.. Belgium is an exception which is one reason why their figures appear so high. If you compare the numbers of deaths over the last two months with the long-term average for the time of year, England is doing far worse than the rest of Europe. As it seems reasonable to assume that the proportion of those additional deaths that are due to CoVid will be roughly the same throughout Europe, that suggests we are doing even worse than the raw figures show. Worse still, that applies specifically to England, not the rest of the UK.

It is actually easier to see from outside the one party state bubble that the media and government are in a loving relationshio. This just creates mass brainwashing and an eternal landed gentŕy government. Sorry. Maybe you should go travelling once this is all done to broaden your mind and undo the years of Tory media pollution?

 

Not really clear what you are getting at here given I haven’t supported the Tories or media at any point in this topic.

 

Also very patronising in regards to the travel comment.

By explaining the thought process of how some of the UK public are to someone who does not live in the country when they were asking the question?

 

Perhaps not get involved without reading the previous comments on it. Thanks for saying I’m rude though given you seem utterly vile yourself.

It is often very instructive to see how we are being portrayed in the rest of Europe. The answer seems to be that we are being portrayed very unfavourably.

you seem utterly vile yourself.

 

I take my comment back... :cry:

That the UK public listens to the media is very unencouraging given the state of the British media. Certain parts are in lockstep trying to portray it as being safe when with stats like that graph blacksquare posted, it's quite obvious that it's not fine yet. And if they were listening to the government, they just get misleading figures or dead cats or anything to distract them from the fact that Britain has been an utter disaster.

 

My least favourite is the response to any comparison with other countries is simply 'you can't compare countries', maybe not directly, but you can certainly draw broad conclusions from a number of countries in similar situations, and on all metrics, the British have ended up the worst. I am not normally an angry person but every time I think about the current British government and their journalist courtesans right now I am filled with rage at the danger they are putting my countrymen in through dodging responsibility and incompetence.

 

The British and the Americans are the clear losers of this pandemic, and only the British seem to have a population so ready to do the exceptionalism thing against a disease.

Can we steady on with calling people vile? I understand that folk are stressed but that's a strong term.

 

Anyway the Tories are still polling at 50% shoot me.

 

Announcement today too that Boris has banned all ministers from appearong on Good Morning Britain in case they get tough questions. Not at all like North Korea!

It's a one party state. If yory voters acknowledged just how disgudtingly bsd and incompetent the aristocracy is at ruling, they would have to acceot culpability for electing them. Therefore, they just double down. We have a media that reports promises as fact, praises the government and Supreme Leader daily, and attacks government critics. I saw loads of rumours that the sun bought up that Bojo Bip Ling scandal to protect him. The government and the media are now one and the same. It's North Korea. It's Russia. The state just has a few trappings of respectability. Give it two or three decades, and the rest of the world will be calling the UK for what it is: elected dictatorship.

Saying you can’t compare countries is nonsense really and then bringing in ‘there’s a difference in the way we’re reporting deaths’ is just making excuses and spinning it so the UK doesn’t look like it’s failing horrendously at this. So what if any other country ‘might’ have more deaths than us? 30k deaths is a complete disaster in any case. The government need to stop trying to find ways of making it look like it’s not so bad and just take responsibility for this mess.

 

And yet the media is all full of ‘lockdown measures to be eased’ as if this is just some minor inconvenience and we can all go to the pub next week. It’s absolutely mental.

Yeah those 'easing restrictions' front page spreads make me feel uneasy. 'go to the pub with your pals' and even worse 'Happy Monday' - perhaps not so happy for those dealing with the loss of friends and family members right now? Not that I expect any decorum from The Sun but still :drama:

It’s funny how “you can’t compare internationally” is the phrase of the week now that the comparisons are unfavourable to the UK. A month ago it was all “look at how dogshit Italy and Spain are. Aren’t we so wonderful. Rule Britannia”

 

No country is giving a truly accurate picture of numbers but there is plenty of valid international comparisons you can make on a general level. The graphs that Blacksquare posted earlier are terrific examples of very valid international comparisons. We can clearly see that where the international trend is more like a bell distribution curve, the UK has hit a plateau slightly below peak. I can think of no other nation with a chart that looks like that. It is reasonable to look at charts like this and conclude that the UK is making an absolute ham fist of this response

All this conflicting info is driving my anxiety WILD. I just want concrete answers which in something that is literally killing people, I don't think should be TOO hard!

 

I've read lockdown has been confirmed in parliament to be extended by three weeks? But then I'm also seeing sensationalist headlines such as the ones on The Sun as Jade read out. Ugh.

Also Kirsty Williams has announced that whatever Boris says on Sunday, schools in Wales will not be reopening on June 1st and that once she has made the decision for schools to return, she will give them ample time to prepare so that we can do so safely.

 

So with lockdown saying in Scotland, I really can’t see Boris lifting much if anything at all on Sunday given that he seems to wait to see what Wales and Scotland will put up with first. He would be completely mad to announce an opening for schools in England.

 

I’m guessing we’ll hear some long and poorly thought out metaphors.

Can we steady on with calling people vile? I understand that folk are stressed but that's a strong term.

 

Quite. I know it's hard right now, but there is no excuse for personal attacks. Warnings will be given if this continues.

It's a one party state. If yory voters acknowledged just how disgudtingly bsd and incompetent the aristocracy is at ruling, they would have to acceot culpability for electing them. Therefore, they just double down. We have a media that reports promises as fact, praises the government and Supreme Leader daily, and attacks government critics. I saw loads of rumours that the sun bought up that Bojo Bip Ling scandal to protect him. The government and the media are now one and the same. It's North Korea. It's Russia. The state just has a few trappings of respectability. Give it two or three decades, and the rest of the world will be calling the UK for what it is: elected dictatorship.

There is a difference. North Korean editors publish what they do because they will be shot if they don’t. British editors do it without that threat.

Regarding lockdowns to be eased, I think this is leaning towards how many people/friends etc etc, you can see. And possibility some retail outlets, with social distancing still in force.

 

And I also heard from a friend as I was gas bagging, next thing on Boris's agenda is Brexit :drama: seriously he needs to sort this mess out first.

Yeah I think the figures in the UK are underreported as well as those other countries. There's been a sharp increase in nursing home deaths when compared to last year and they aren't reflected in the overall stats.

France, Spain and Italy have not been counting deaths outside the hospitals from the start but have added those to the reported deaths in later stages

Belgium has as well, but they somehow count every death in a care home, which is why the media is portraying them as if they are the worst handlers of this virus

The Netherlands report all confirmed cases that passed daoly and a weekly report of "weekly extra deaths" is reported as well. However those are not included in the death count.

Germany includes all deaths from covid as well

 

 

You can compare countries fairly easy, but only id they're similar. For example, you cannot compare the UK to Sweden, but you can compare them to western europe as they are very similar in everyday life.

 

Which is why I hate the "Is Sweden doing something righr?" Headlines as they wrongfully imply countries like ours could implement their system, while it is blatently obvious that could never work

There is a difference. North Korean editors publish what they do because they will be shot if they don’t. British editors do it without that threat.

 

But surely they are hired because of their leanings and would be fired if they stepped out of line and didn't praise the government? Have you seen the tweets BBTory put out today? Pure propaganda. No matter what the reason behind it, it has the ssme effect. If it weren't foe the internetx the tories would be polling at an eternal 80%

How would it cause domestic migration? Where would these people go? How would the escape England’s draconian police forces to leave the region in the first place?

 

Lots of people moved from London to their home counties, certainly 75% of the people I know in London did. If you ease restrictions they will just go back to London. It's why I just don't think it is wise.

 

The problem is that let's be honest, the government are incompetent and didn't go far enough. We should have done something like Spain, Italy, yes it would've been difficult obvs but look at their curves!! But we had a very watered down, unclear version of lockdown and look at the results, deaths are flatlining.

 

I have no doubt as well that the government waited until combined daily deaths would be under 1000 to include non-hospital deaths. 1000 is a mental barrier in peoples heads and the government knew the perception of them would be worse if the official daily tally exceeded that.

 

I can't even find the words lol, I'm so angry with our corrupt British nationalist right wing media :') This country is broken.

Just because Boris is incompetent doesn't mean everyone else has to be

 

What do you mean do something like taly or Spain have done? Keep everyone trapped up inside their houses, ban kids for exercise? It's utterly extreme and not necessary. There's no evidence to say it would work. Somehow we have been drafted in to this thinking that it is full lockdown or nothing.

 

Iz hit the nail on the head, we can compare ourselves with other countries as a useful barometer but it's not always helpful. How can you compare a country with a larger population in a small density situation verses a smaller population with with a larger density? Of course the virus is going to spread more in the first occassion. It's comparing apples and oranges as a like for like. So it's natural our infection rate is going to be slower to come back verses Spain or Italy for example.

 

Problem is people have decided that today or Sunday is the end of lockdown, when it obvioubsly won't be. But our economy is going to dive off a cliff soon, so if we protect those people currently furloughed for a little while longer while trying to get some industries back and running it would be good. I'm in favour of a lockdown extension for another 3 weeks for the general public as annoying as it is, needs to happen.