One person from another household has been lockdown standard for me since the very beginning. I’ve only taken advantage of it very recently but it’s been a sanity lifeline. I really done understand why the UK is in such a mess with such a harsh set of conditions.

 

Me, too. Going for a walk outside with one person to feel normal and reduce stress is less of a risk than going to work with people you can't socially distance from or serving members of the public in a supermarket, or standing in line with 40 other people, even 2m apart.

 

I also dont see why family cant sit in your garden and talk through a slightly-open window. Frankly given the entire street, virtually, was sat outside up and down the nation on Friday, and clap together every Thursday night, chatting to your nephew and family 2 m away from their doorstep is a damn site safer cos we all know we have been safely indoors for 6 weeks, apart from supermarkets.

Exactly, being in the back garden (for those with the opportunity to do so) causes less problems for other people than using up public spaces

 

So then how do you convey that message to the public? "If you are lucky enough to have a garden you can meet your family, but if you don't sorry". What about people who live in tower nlocks? Or apartments? Or have yards rather than gardens? What happens when it starts raining outside "OK gran, come in for a cuppa as you forgot your brolly". I bloody hate this Government but at least they are being fair with message.

 

I like others having been taking advantage of having social distanced conversations with friends/family. And I know many others who have too. If you encourage people to meet at their homes surely it will just encourage bad behaviour. And it's unfair on people that don't have the facilities to be able to have a socially distanced conversation.

So then how do you convey that message to the public? "If you are lucky enough to have a garden you can meet your family, but if you don't sorry". What about people who live in tower nlocks? Or apartments? Or have yards rather than gardens? What happens when it starts raining outside "OK gran, come in for a cuppa as you forgot your brolly". I bloody hate this Government but at least they are being fair with message.

 

I like others having been taking advantage of having social distanced conversations with friends/family. And I know many others who have too. If you encourage people to meet at their homes surely it will just encourage bad behaviour. And it's unfair on people that don't have the facilities to be able to have a socially distanced conversation.

 

I’d imagine they’d convey the message just like the one they did last night. You know, an unclear, messy, garbled piece of waffle with as many thank you’s to the public they think will make everyone forget what a mess they are. I bloody hate this government too and will continue to criticise them until they get their shit together.

So then how do you convey that message to the public? "If you are lucky enough to have a garden you can meet your family, but if you don't sorry". What about people who live in tower nlocks? Or apartments? Or have yards rather than gardens? What happens when it starts raining outside "OK gran, come in for a cuppa as you forgot your brolly". I bloody hate this Government but at least they are being fair with message.

 

I like others having been taking advantage of having social distanced conversations with friends/family. And I know many others who have too. If you encourage people to meet at their homes surely it will just encourage bad behaviour. And it's unfair on people that don't have the facilities to be able to have a socially distanced conversation.

I don’t mean that you have one, but not the other - just that it is permitted for people to socially distance with another person in gardens as well as in public spaces. This can then free up outside space such as parks etc for those who don’t have gardens. That seems fairer to me because the current message has the potential to clog up those parks/benches etc even more. There can still be a clear message that there must be no going into other people’s homes.

I was wondering why can't you invite your own family inside your house, my neighbour next door is an old dear, but her daughter just lives across the road with her boyfriend, she is always going in and out of her mother's house, taking food for her and even her own son pops over and stays for a while, this has been going on very frequent for most of the weeks now, People are just letting their own families in no matter what. Its hardly any different.

 

Neighbours round here usually stick together, look after each other, and they do ask us if we need anything each day.

I was wondering why can't you invite your own family inside your house, my neighbour next door is an old dear, but her daughter just lives across the road with her boyfriend, she is always going in and out of her mother's house, taking food for her and even her own son pops over and stays for a while, this has been going on very frequent for most of the weeks now, People are just letting their own families in no matter what. Its hardly any different.

 

Neighbours round here usually stick together, look after each other, and they do ask us if we need anything each day.

That could classify as providing essential care to the elderly/vulnerable person

The Government itself doesn’t even have a clue about what the rules are, how are 56m meant to know?

 

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Even the torygraph thinks this is a f***ing mess

 

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Even the torygraph thinks this is a f***ing mess

 

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Even This Morning are losing it.

 

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I truly cannot believe that Piers Morgan has been the most effective and articulate journalist during this crisis. The world is upside down.

The irony is that all the 'I identify as a penguin' crowd who adored Piers Morgan are now laying into him for criticising their precious tory government, while the liberals who couldn't stand him 99% of the time are agreeing :') I'd rather he was standing up to them then no one I guess and he has been good the last few weeks.

 

EDIT: another note completely but I'm rolling my eyes at all the people on twitter today who keep saying Philip Schofield a tory like it's a fact because he took a photo...where is the evidence momentumites

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I agree. Piers sided with Sturgeon the other day over loosening restrictions and I nearly fell down a bloody big flight of stairs at the station in shock. It’s like a parallel universe. I don’t like being in agreement with Piers one bit

Considering Holly and Phil were able to sit through ‘take it on the chin’, the fact that they can’t hold it in any longer really does highlight what a disaster yesterday’s speech was. And when you’re rooting for Piers Morgan you just know we’re in trouble.

I still can't quite believe that nobody in the mainstream media is questioning the testing figures, which were quite obviously fudged to meet Hancock's target - having 'met' this target he subsequently then of course spent the entirety of his press conference on 1st May congratulating himself. At least the sending of 50,000 tests to the US has been covered: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/...-us-for-testing

 

It is this sort of thing that erodes public trust and confidence..

I actually think Piers has been great the last couple of weeks! He seems to be the only one challenging the Government at the moment and he’s using his platform to try and get answers most of us need / want and it says it all like you said when he’s agreeing with Nicola over everything

I actually think Piers has been great the last couple of weeks! He seems to be the only one challenging the Government at the moment and he’s using his platform to try and get answers most of us need / want and it says it all like you said when he’s agreeing with Nicola over everything

 

It's tragic that Piers Morgan has been better at holding the government accountable and a better oppostion than Labour.

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I don’t mean that you have one, but not the other - just that it is permitted for people to socially distance with another person in gardens as well as in public spaces. This can then free up outside space such as parks etc for those who don’t have gardens. That seems fairer to me because the current message has the potential to clog up those parks/benches etc even more. There can still be a clear message that there must be no going into other people’s homes.

 

But see, just trying to quantify that in to words is impossible "iff you have a garden, use it, if you don't use the park and we will let you get the coronavrius". The Government spell things out and people get confused. Sending this message out is the exact thing people are tearing the Government a new one for, so you're just creating an even bigger problem.

 

It's not a go at you personally Klaus, I fully get the point you are making, but it's been said loads of times in this thread the average human is stupid. It's a nice idea but it's not practical. As I'm sure more people in this country don't have access to gardens than those that do. I can at least see some of the reasoning in some of the Government's announcement last night, although I just just fail to see why they wanted a televised speech that was akin to a strip tease. Boris probably thinks he's a war time hero and has the spirit of Churchill within him.

With regard to yesterday's shambolic announcement and the even more shambolic clarification today from Raab - it may have been easier to simply remain in 'lock step' (they say it enough at the press conferences!) with the other 3 nations within the UK and ease restrictions on being able to exercise outside but keep the overall 'Stay At Home' message, because until we have a proper track & trace process up and running there is inevitably going to be another lockdown required which pretty much erases any minmal benefit to the ecomomy that these tentative (and nauced) steps are being introduced for.

 

But we all know that Mr Johnson has a huge ego... and that the right wing media and lobbyists have the government under a lot of pressure!

Odds on Piers being the next PM

Surely something more concrete has to come out in the briefing tonight. I shan't hold my breath though.

With regard to yesterday's shambolic announcement and the even more shambolic clarification today from Raab - it may have been easier to simply remain in 'lock step' (they say it enough at the press conferences!) with the other 3 nations within the UK and ease restrictions on being able to exercise outside but keep the overall 'Stay At Home' message, because until we have a proper track & trace process up and running there is inevitably going to be another lockdown required which pretty much erases any minmal benefit to the ecomomy that these tentative (and nauced) steps are being introduced for.

 

But we all know that Mr Johnson has a huge ego... and that the right wing media and lobbyists have the government under a lot of pressure!

 

It's not a UK problem though is it, it's a worldwide problem. Lobbyists know their livelihood is at stake. It's a difficult situation and we seem to be firmly sat on the fence. The strategy seems to be trying to appeal to both groups at the same time, while appeasing none of them. It's difficult but we're all going to have our own little part to play as if we don't try and get back we're not going to have any society left.

 

Surely something more concrete has to come out in the briefing tonight. I shan't hold my breath though.

 

From what I know, the 50 page document was under embargo until the last couple of hours. I just had a conference call, our Facilities Head and all the Group/Category Directors have been sent the document, so I would assume the media have it now as well.