we haven't even left the first wave!

but the nature of conronavurses; how they mutate and build means we are totally furqed

 

we should be gong for elimination yet we carry on backtofront

 

 

How do you suggest we go for elimination though? Would that mean a longer or stricter lockdown and no shops or schools open all year? That would totally ruin the economy for many years and is totally unworkable. Look at how many people broke this lockdown. Look at the jobs forecast to be lost now when more people come off furlough. That's with 10-12 weeks' lockdown. If there's another big wave we'll just have to lock down again but no-one knows. I've seen experts saying there won't be one.

no one knows. I've seen experts saying there won't be one.

so which one is it?

so which one is it?

 

Well the answer is nobody knows! Personally I find this whole "BUT THE SECOND WAVE" hyperbole very scaremongering from people. I can't also help put feel people are angling their word to the media so that they can look good in 4 months time and say "I told you so". It's clear we are on a knife-edge, but it's also clearly our economy has shrunk 30% and we are about to hit the worst unemployment levels seen for decades.

 

I suspect come the autumn months cases will rise again, but I also suspect the world thinks this as well. The problem we have is that if we don't get back to some form of normality our economy will completely crumble. When there is a rise in cases, you would hope the Government would learn from the mistakes of last time to be able to stop the same outcome that happened before in hospitals & care homes. At least with decent testing capacity now anyone who displays any types of symptoms can be isolated.

It's true that testing capacity doesn't seem to be a significant issue at the moment, but it is safe to assume that the number of people showing symptoms will increase substantially in the last few months of the year and into next year.

Well the answer is nobody knows! Personally I find this whole "BUT THE SECOND WAVE"

the fundamentals of this virus have not shifted; as we are seeing in the sunbelt states in th US; you can try and be open but you did it do be done safely and effectively

 

its currently totally ineffective...we have a winter we need to go for and (fingers crossed) it won't be a lockdownn situation

Well the answer is nobody knows! Personally I find this whole "BUT THE SECOND WAVE" hyperbole very scaremongering from people. I can't also help put feel people are angling their word to the media so that they can look good in 4 months time and say "I told you so". It's clear we are on a knife-edge, but it's also clearly our economy has shrunk 30% and we are about to hit the worst unemployment levels seen for decades.

 

I suspect come the autumn months cases will rise again, but I also suspect the world thinks this as well. The problem we have is that if we don't get back to some form of normality our economy will completely crumble. When there is a rise in cases, you would hope the Government would learn from the mistakes of last time to be able to stop the same outcome that happened before in hospitals & care homes. At least with decent testing capacity now anyone who displays any types of symptoms can be isolated.

 

Lockdown should have been eased more slowly though I think, yes I understand why the shops are open now (with social distancing) to protect the economy but did they have to change social distancing guidance from 2m to 1m on top of this - its going to raise the R rate too much. If the change in distancing was just for the hospitality sector why didn't they just advise it in hospitality settings instead of everywhere?

Lockdown should have been eased more slowly though I think, yes I understand why the shops are open now (with social distancing) to protect the economy but did they have to change social distancing guidance from 2m to 1m on top of this - its going to raise the R rate too much. If the change in distancing was just for the hospitality sector why didn't they just advise it in hospitality settings instead of everywhere?

 

It’s 1 metre plus. Now if there’s a spike and second wave, Boris can just say it’s everyone else’s fault because he never actually said 1 metre. I guess they think it would be step confusing too far to say it’s one distance in one place and a different one in another.

 

I understand the need to get the economy going and don’t discourage that at all. But over the last two days Scotland have had no cold deaths (3 days for this actually), Wales have had 7 and England have had over 200. It seems odd that England are reopening much faster than the other two with statistics like this.

"1m+" literally means "at least 1m". When everyone decided that 2m is the safe distance they meant 2m+ i.e. 2m is the minimum. I don't think they would have a case if they started to backtrack and blame the population.

"1m+" literally means "at least 1m". When everyone decided that 2m is the safe distance they meant 2m+ i.e. 2m is the minimum. I don't think they would have a case if they started to backtrack and blame the population.

 

I think they’d still give it a go.

"1m+" literally means "at least 1m". When everyone decided that 2m is the safe distance they meant 2m+ i.e. 2m is the minimum. I don't think they would have a case if they started to backtrack and blame the population.

No, the + refers to additional protection, i.e. masks, not facing each other etc.

I think they’d still give it a go.

This lot have no sense of shame so they would definitely give it a go.

The Ch4 news tonight reports that the Home Office is considering its first regional lockdown for the Leicester area which has seen a surge in over 3000 cases in the last 2 weeks.

I don't think they were referring to you. I think the comments were about the DM article posted by Alex P.

 

Well of course they would have an issue on it many people on this forum can’t tolerate an opinion that is different from theirs and get all heated over an Internet forum

i was about to post something (i hope) was a really thoughtful and detailed piece about covid but we've got the one man culture war still going strong and totally taking over everything. it is s

 

he is the epitome of disrupter; there is no want to engage and contribute only rile and anger

 

how is he still a member? what does he bring other than a need to disrupt?

 

What are you even talking about ?

Edited June 28, 20204 yr by Alex P

Oh yeah, just read back and maybe you're right!

 

Ha yes probably was about me. The people on this thread are utterly delusional and live in a world where they can’t have differing opinions and get on their moral high ground about everything it is ridiculous.

 

And of course there is another second wave article in the last couple of posts, these people will be crying about a second wave that doesn’t come for the next ten years.

UK needs a traffic light situation instead of this insane will-they won't-they lockdown where what lockdown means is consistently in flux.

 

Meta: re the posting thing, I also don't understand why you would go out of your way to join a community only to then blanket criticize all of the people who are already longterm members.

 

Especially this one which is nominally a music forum!

Lockdown should have been eased more slowly though I think, yes I understand why the shops are open now (with social distancing) to protect the economy but did they have to change social distancing guidance from 2m to 1m on top of this - its going to raise the R rate too much. If the change in distancing was just for the hospitality sector why didn't they just advise it in hospitality settings instead of everywhere?

 

Our lockdown is being eased at pretty much exactly the same rate as Spain and Italy. The 2m rule will be in practice everywhere except bars and resturaunts. I am a little uneasy about the changing of 1m+ in the leisure and hospiality sector, but clearly the government feel the sector will not survive unless changes are made.

 

It’s 1 metre plus. Now if there’s a spike and second wave, Boris can just say it’s everyone else’s fault because he never actually said 1 metre. I guess they think it would be step confusing too far to say it’s one distance in one place and a different one in another.

 

I understand the need to get the economy going and don’t discourage that at all. But over the last two days Scotland have had no cold deaths (3 days for this actually), Wales have had 7 and England have had over 200. It seems odd that England are reopening much faster than the other two with statistics like this.

 

Death rate is not a clear indicator, we have no idea where the deaths are coming from, when they occured. Lots of countries have stopped reporting it now. The important trigger is the rate of infection. Seemingly, holistically across England it is OK. Either way we are pretty fuked unless we move in to gear.

1m may as well be 0m. Brits are notoriously resistent to following rules.

The Ch4 news tonight reports that the Home Office is considering its first regional lockdown for the Leicester area which has seen a surge in over 3000 cases in the last 2 weeks.

Leicester’s elected mayor said otherwise yesterday morning. Once agin, it appears that the government has failed to consult with local leaders. Wales’ first minister says he hasn’t spoken to Johnson since the end of last month.

Ha yes probably was about me. The people on this thread are utterly delusional and live in a world where they can’t have differing opinions and get on their moral high ground about everything it is ridiculous.

 

And of course there is another second wave article in the last couple of posts, these people will be crying about a second wave that doesn’t come for the next ten years.

 

Actually, you’re usually the one that resorts to name calling when people have a different view to you. If you don’t like the ‘people in this thread’ then you know what you can do. That’s my last word on this.