Tulisa’s repsonse really just made her look worse she was better of saying nothing then the video she put up !

I don’t think Tulisa is racist and I think the term can be used too liberally where it can start to lose the effect it should have.

 

This is where continued education and raising this issues becomes more and more important because (and I think unintentionally) she engaged in perpetuating the racial stereotype. What she did was a form of indirect racism - she wasn’t aware of the effects and what it meant and, on the face of it (and particularly for someone who has never experienced it themselves) calling someone a bully (whilst unnecessary and not the right platform) isn’t a racial term. However, with education and understanding, it is continuing the stereotype and demonisation of the angry black woman. This is why the education and understanding should be promoted more rather than just throwing accusations and words that stick back. It’s whether, after the education and understanding, a person would have done that indirect act anyway.

 

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I couldn't get through Tulisa's video, even her admitting she shouldn't have spoken up on the live show felt very disingenuous to me. However, I don't believe she's actively a racist. The producers' plotline for Misha was rooted in racism, and therefore Tulisa and Louis played into it too, probably without ever considering the racial implications. Dotty's tweets explain it brilliantly I think. Simply "not being racist" isn't enough and I hope she considers the wider implications of her accusations.

I don’t think Tulisa in the slightest is racist, her social group and friends and family all have different ethnic backgrounds.

 

That doesn't mean anything though.

 

There is a different between being a racist (I don't think anyone believes Tulisa is part of Britain First) and showing (negative) behaviour that can be racially motivated, sometimes without even being aware of doing this. A lot of white people always get incredibly defence and scream I AM NOT a racist, when that is not being said. Did Misha ever say Tulisa was a racist? It was Tulisa herself who brought that up. The excuse of 'I have black friends/neighbours/a partner' is nonsense and is always just as well to defend onself. Tulisa should have listened to the video and make a point about that, not this whole racist thing. Racist behaviour comes in a lot of ways and forms, often without realising it, and I think we have all had moments in our lives where we have displayed this.

 

That doesn't mean anything though.

 

There is a different between being a racist (I don't think anyone believes Tulisa is part of Britain First) and showing (negative) behaviour that can be racially motivated, sometimes without even being aware of doing this. A lot of white people always get incredibly defence and scream I AM NOT a racist, when that is not being said. Did Misha ever say Tulisa was a racist? It was Tulisa herself who brought that up. The excuse of 'I have black friends/neighbours/a partner' is nonsense and is always just as well to defend onself. Tulisa should have listened to the video and make a point about that, not this whole racist thing. Racist behaviour comes in a lot of ways and forms, often without realising it, and I think we have all had moments in our lives where we have displayed this.

 

But this is part of the problem, the word £racist". Jonjo alluded to it fantastically. Tulisa is not a racist in the same way someone from the Ku Klux Klan is. But it's also properly likely she was guilty (as lot of us are) of subconscious narrative racism. But when you start labeling Tulisa a racist, you soon dilute the word and before you know it everyone is racist if you apply the same mentality to all. So instead of addressing the issue we're just labeling everyone a racist, when I don't think that achieves anything.

 

X Factor (especially post Simon Cowell) was of course massively manipulated and influenced by the producers, as most reality TV shows post 2011 are. She may have won the show, she may not. Personally even with the claims, I am not sure she would have won. Lots of acts who start off well during the first weeks gradually tail off as people change their voting habits depending on who is left, there are countless examples of this. I feel sorry for her as clearly it affected her career afterwards as well.

I think it proves that white people are so much more concerned with being labelled than actual genuine racism itself. I'm sure Tulisa has never been deliberately racist, but she may have been subconciously racially motivated in her attacks against Misha and in the past before. We're all guilty of it, I'm ashamed to admit I've made silly comments in the past where I liken black females to others, that is wrong when I realised I wouldn't usually do that with white females and I would never mind apologising for that.

 

A 'sorry you feel that way' is insulting, own how you made someone feel and apologise whole heartedly or not at all. Defensiveness is such a tired game white people like to play, educate yourselves further and see the impact previous actions you've had on POC could be perceived to be racist and just better yourself rather than saying ''I've got black friends, I'm NOT racist'', it just belittles your argument and makes you look silly. I'm disappointed in Tulisa personally, I know she went through HELL in her cocaine ordeal with the media so I did expect better of her to just own what she did wrong to Misha. She comes across as unnecessarily defensive and almost argumentatitve to a degree.

I have little sympathy for Tulisa — rather than gaslight, it wouldn't have taken much to accept some accountability for the ramifications and apologise regardless of how she felt. Her 'apology' conveniently failed to acknowledge the autobiography by Gary Barlow which detailed the producers bully-narrative and intent.

 

'I'm very passionate about the black lives movement', apparently, and yet rather than listen, she releases a rant clearly failing to grasp the concept of microaggressions and how playing into the angry black woman trope is racist behaviour. Also, when someone explains how they suffered from PTSD, suicidal thoughts, decade-long therapy sessions, 'I'm sorry that you feel...' doesn't quite cut it.

 

But this is part of the problem, the word £racist". Jonjo alluded to it fantastically. Tulisa is not a racist in the same way someone from the Ku Klux Klan is. But it's also properly likely she was guilty (as lot of us are) of subconscious narrative racism. But when you start labeling Tulisa a racist, you soon dilute the word and before you know it everyone is racist if you apply the same mentality to all. So instead of addressing the issue we're just labeling everyone a racist, when I don't think that achieves anything.

 

X Factor (especially post Simon Cowell) was of course massively manipulated and influenced by the producers, as most reality TV shows post 2011 are. She may have won the show, she may not. Personally even with the claims, I am not sure she would have won. Lots of acts who start off well during the first weeks gradually tail off as people change their voting habits depending on who is left, there are countless examples of this. I feel sorry for her as clearly it affected her career afterwards as well.

 

The majority aren't calling her racist — Misha B certaiinly didn't — people are explaining why her and the producers behaviour was racist. Which it was.

 

White people in general need to stop being so defensive and just listen to why the R word might be used to describe someone's actions.

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While Tulisa's video was stupid, instead of defending herself from the "you're racist" claims she should've just directed the blame where it's supposed to be directed at - ITV & Cowell. But obviously she wouldn't do that as she still clings onto the last traces of that relevancy :')

 

Kinda funny how everyone connected Tulisa and Walsh with Misha's statement just through the word "bully". The actual party that is responsible for this will get out scot-free. That's why the channel hasn't made any statement yet - they are waiting for this to blow over and find a scapegoat. Luckily Tulisa can't control herself so here we are. Plus she's a woman and therefore an easy target.

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While Tulisa's video was stupid, instead of defending herself from the "you're racist" claims she should've just directed the blame where it's supposed to be directed at - ITV & Cowell. But obviously she wouldn't do that as she still clings onto the last of that relevancy :')

 

Kinda funny how everyone connected Tulisa and Walsh with Misha's statement just through the word "bully". The actual party that is responsible for this will get out scot-free. That's why the channel hasn't made any statement yet - they are waiting for this to blow over and find a scapegoat. Luckily Tulisa can't control herself so here we are. Plus she's a woman and therefore an easy target.

 

I would be very surprised if more problematic X-Factor stories didn't start appearing now.

I'd say the reason the majority of white people get so sensitive about it is that a lot of people have no nuance when it comes to the issue of racism. Of course we know that Tulisa isn't on the same level as actual extreme racist bigots, but people with no nuance will see 'racist' and go into defence mode, it's natural instinct when you're accused of something you feel you're not (as most people's idea of racist is thugs and extremists). I've been guilty of not getting microagressions and unconscious forms of racism in the past, I remember when Alexandra Burke was on Strictly and people on here were racism was behind a lot of the criticism she got I didn't really understand that. It's an issue of ignorance.

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I'd say the reason the majority of white people get so sensitive about it is that a lot of people have no nuance when it comes to the issue of racism. Of course we know that Tulisa isn't on the same level as actual extreme racist bigots, but people with no nuance will see 'racist' and go into defence mode, it's natural instinct when you're accused of something you feel you're not (as most people's idea of racist is thugs and extremists). I've been guilty of not getting microagressions and unconscious forms of racism in the past, I remember when Alexandra Burke was on Strictly and people on here were racism was behind a lot of the criticism she got I didn't really understand that. It's an issue of ignorance.

 

It's something I do hope comes from all of this — people listening more and understanding the many layers of race and discrimination.

I really want Alexandra to speak up about Strictly, the same for any other black women in reality shows really, like Tinashe on Dancing With The Stars! I literally made a tongue in cheek joke that she'd be "3rd out despite getting one of the best judges scores of the series because she's a black woman" or something and lo and behold... Also Normani was a victim of that too iirc (ofc she got further but I seem to recall she was thrown under the bus or something)?

 

We just have to look at our own royal family and the way everyone treated Kate vs how they treat Meghan (despite Kate doing the exact same/similar things!?)

Tulisa wasn’t to blame it was the producers . She was 22 and trying to be keep a high paid well regarded job.

I see Leigh-Anne & Perrie from Little Mix, alongside a few members of The Risk have also gone ahead and liked Tulisa's post.

I see Leigh-Anne & Perrie from Little Mix, alongside a few members of The Risk have also gone ahead and liked Tulisa's post.

It doesn't diminish the producers racism at all, but if Leigh-Anne who's experienced explicit and non-explicit racial abuse has liked the post maybe there is more to this. It's a damn instagram like though so...idek :lol: Either way I think this has highlighted microagressions and unconscious racism even more which can only be a good thing, I just sadly feel like a lot, probably most white people in the UK are very ignorant about these things.

The majority aren't calling her racist — Misha B certaiinly didn't — people are explaining why her and the producers behaviour was racist. Which it was.

 

White people in general need to stop being so defensive and just listen to why the R word might be used to describe someone's actions.

 

While I am not entirely disagreeing, isn't the point that the semantics of the world 'racist' means different things to different people. I think it is ok for us to say "white people should stop being so defensive" - well what are you going to expect people to do when there's semantics involved and people suspect they're being likened to being a member of the KKK. Of course they are going to be defensive. Rather than people calling someone a racist, it would be better to educate why their comments may be perceived as being racist.

I see Leigh-Anne & Perrie from Little Mix, alongside a few members of The Risk have also gone ahead and liked Tulisa's post.

I just hope in particular Leigh Anne and Perrie only liked it because it’s Tulisa but then again it’s just a like on Instagram so could mean anything or it could mean nothing :lol:

I'd be surprised if Little Mix don't speak up about it at some point, I imagine Jesy will seeing as she was the one who had the bully claims.

I was discussing this with my brother earlier. So many people are so hung up on the idea of being a Good person that they logic out: Racism = Bad, I'm not a Bad person, ergo, I can't be racist. Ergo, someone accusing me of racism is ATTACKING me & trying to make me doubt myself.

 

People are addicted to dodging blame as if they were children.

 

Re Tulisa, is it possible she is contractually bound not to shift to tje producers? Or even that she genuinely believes the idea to call Misha out was her own original idea rather than furthering a reality tv narrative?

 

That's not at all to excuse her post; rather; to logic out why that was the amgle she decided to take with her statement rather than, as pointed out above, admitting that it was a narrative she was told to follow & that she underestimated the impact of playing out.

I was discussing this with my brother earlier. So many people are so hung up on the idea of being a Good person that they logic out: Racism = Bad, I'm not a Bad person, ergo, I can't be racist. Ergo, someone accusing me of racism is ATTACKING me & trying to make me doubt myself.

 

People are addicted to dodging blame as if they were children.

 

Re Tulisa, is it possible she is contractually bound not to shift to tje producers? Or even that she genuinely believes the idea to call Misha out was her own original idea rather than furthering a reality tv narrative?

 

That's not at all to excuse her post; rather; to logic out why that was the amgle she decided to take with her statement rather than, as pointed out above, admitting that it was a narrative she was told to follow & that she underestimated the impact of playing out.

 

I don't think they logic out, it's just the semantics associated with the word. Most people don't respond well to feedback in any sense (myself included) as we take it personally to ourselves. it's mostly human nature to be liked, so I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't think people logic out, it's human nature.

 

Just like if you re-read this thread you'll find countless examples of unconscious biases that 90% who have posted in this thread have confered to.