Yeah I honestly cant see any other solution, a enforced national lockdown to coincide with half term would be ideal. We could hopefully get Track & Trace back to working order....well better than it is now and maybe if a clear and concise message was broadcast highlighting the reasoning and implications of not adhering to the rules, people would abide more.

 

This is the worrying thing — I wouldn't be surprised if they just closed things for two-three weeks and hoped that was enough, without really focusing on what they need to fix.

This is the worrying thing — I wouldn't be surprised if they just closed things for two-three weeks and hoped that was enough, without really focusing on what they need to fix.

 

Apparently the council leader for Manchester has been told by Government advisors have admitted this Tier plan won't even work.

 

Honestly I just don't get it - cites like Leeds, London, Manchester, Newcastle, York, Birmingham - are pretty much the hub and economic heartbeat of the country. Yet these measures don't go far enough. Probably trying to flock to their core voters who serve 3 jam scones a day to Brenda, David and Richard in Chessington.

A circuit breaker is inevitable. The Welsh government helpfully announced today that they will be announcing one. Probably not until next week which means they’re hoping to start it with half term the week after. England will be planning the same but are using the tier system to stall for time.

 

Schools seem to be the key issue and the hill in which all UK governments have chosen to die on. The circuit breaker was recommended almost a month ago but they’ve waited so that they can say they got through half a term at school. The virus hasn’t been keeping to the academic timetable. There’s even talk of not closing schools and universities during one of these which is madness and won’t work.

 

The fact is, they need to rethink how education establishments can work to help slow the virus spread. In Wales we opened part time to students in July and it wasn’t perfect but it really worked. They had months to figure something out but they through us all back it and hoped for the best. What’s happened to universities is just complete idiocy.

 

Schools came back after months off, they will be able to do so after a couple of weeks break. I’m actually up for frequent but short circuit breakers if that’s what it takes. I’m not up for another months long lockdown.

A gym is refusing to close and will fight it's corner in court.

 

From Sky News.

 

A Merseyside gym which stayed open despite new coronavirus restrictions has been fined £1,000 by police.

 

Officers had to visit Body Tech Fitness in Moreton, Wirral, twice on Wednesday - following new Tier 3 restrictions came into force which forced the closure of gyms and betting shops.

 

After the new rules for the Liverpool City Region were announced, owner Nick Whitcombe said on his Instagram page the gym would be staying open "for our members mental and physical well-being".

 

Police visited the gym on Wednesday and told it to close but had to return later that day to find it was still open, so issued a £1,000 fine.

 

A Gofundme page set up to help the gym with any legal costs has raised more than £24,000.

 

What a joker like the cheek to use the old ‘for the well-being of my customers mental and physical health’ too during a pandemic. Nothing at all to do with him wanting to make money or anything.

 

This is the worrying thing — I wouldn't be surprised if they just closed things for two-three weeks and hoped that was enough, without really focusing on what they need to fix.

 

Indeed like we had a 2-3 month lockdown from March and it still came back afterwards so test and trace working is central to stopping it spread!

What a joker like the cheek to use the old ‘for the well-being of my customers mental and physical health’ too during a pandemic. Nothing at all to do with him wanting to make money or anything.

 

Though I’m sure he does still want to make money, please don’t minimise the importance of gyms for mental and physical health. I suffered greatly without my gym for five months and I’m already dreading its closure again.

I didn’t mean to minimise it sorry about that.

 

I’m more of an introvert and would rather exercise outdoors walking etc than being stuck in a gym but that’s me just thinking of my own views.

Why are the UKstudents to blame for everything while in Belgium and The Netherlands they are only partially part of the problem? Are y'all that attached to your homes? I haven't seen my parents sinds mid augustus just because of the possible risk...

Why are the UKstudents to blame for everything while in Belgium and The Netherlands they are only partially part of the problem? Are y'all that attached to your homes? I haven't seen my parents sinds mid augustus just because of the possible risk...

 

They are not the full problem, but they are a major part. Literally every major University city has had an increase in cases, certainly where I am 80% of the corona cases are related to the University boroughs. And it's the same across the North too - Knowsley, Fallowfield, Headingley..

 

No one has come up with a solution to the problem when they all bugger off back home for Christmas and then back again in January. I'm sure it will be self isolate for 2 weeks before travelling home though, which will do a fat lot of good.

I don't think the students are the main problem but just one of them, along with pubs, workplaces, people partying and people not adhering to the rules.

 

Wife's employer's brother is in hospital with it. May have caught it from one of his bridge students. I said I hope they've not seen him recently and caught it then passed it to her. :o She says they haven't. He's got much worse the last two days.

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Tories in unsurprising support of child malnutrition as they reject Marcus Rashford's call for free school meals to be extended over the winter holidays, guess there's no way they can make sure one of their friends ends up with millions by doing it so...

 

Serco aren't cheap, but fortunately their business model isn't dependent on things going tits up...

 

@1317019113580056576

 

Well done to them and their shareholders.

Well done to them and their shareholders.

 

Trebles all round I think.

 

Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

I guess Serco really don't care, but hopefully the social media Gods have something to do to the likes of Harding and the company for wasting public money and then paying out to shareholders. w*n**rs.

 

Lancashire is moving to Tier 3, but guess what.. they have negotiated their own deal AND gyms can stay open. No wonder Greater Manchester are so pissed off and the Government are throwing the line that it is down to Party Politics.

Lancashire is moving to Tier 3, but guess what.. they have negotiated their own deal AND gyms can stay open. No wonder Greater Manchester are so pissed off and the Government are throwing the line that it is down to Party Politics.

 

Updated map:

 

 

Cases per/100K in each Tier.

 

 

Note that one of the two highest data points in Tier 1 is EXETER with ~300 cases per 100K.

 

Nottingham is the data point way above everything in Tier 2.

Lancashire is moving to Tier 3, but guess what.. they have negotiated their own deal AND gyms can stay open. No wonder Greater Manchester is so pissed off and the Government are throwing the line that it is down to Party Politics.

 

These bespoke negotiations seem very odd to me — why are gyms open in Lancashire but not Liverpool? You would think the goal of a tier system is to make things consistent and straightforward...

Note that one of the two highest data points in Tier 1 is EXETER with ~300 cases per 100K.

 

Nottingham is the data point way above everything in Tier 2.

 

Oh look - another University City! - I don't think Bristol is too far behind. If you just locked down one part of the City and enforced it you could probably at least control the spread. Ethically, not the best, but this is how most other countries have contained the spread.

 

These bespoke negotiations seem very odd to me — why are gyms open in Lancashire but not Liverpool? You would think the goal of a tier system is to make things consistent and straightforward...

 

It is pretty confusing. I mean what's to stop someone from Merseyside now signing up to a gym in Lancashire? Don't get me wrong, I think gyms should be open still if its not spreading there as I believe similar to T Boy the benefits far outweight the risks.

Here in Essex, we have parts of the county still in Tier 1. As ours was voluntary it can only affect areas that are part of the Essex County Council. Southend and Thurrock have unitary councils so aren’t included yet the areas in between both are so nothing to stop people from going to either of these areas. Not that the Essex area has technically reached the tier threshold for tier 2 but doesn’t really make sense.

Here in Essex, we have parts of the county still in Tier 1. As ours was voluntary it can only affect areas that are part of the Essex County Council. Southend and Thurrock have unitary councils so aren’t included yet the areas in between both are so nothing to stop people from going to either of these areas. Not that the Essex area has technically reached the tier threshold for tier 2 but doesn’t really make sense.

 

Yeah its odd - in fact the whole Tier system is just bollocks.

 

The Governments response is just bollocks.

 

I'll tell you something - there are gonna be some absolute SCENES in the capital tonight. Think that Liverpool clip and times it by a thousand.

These bespoke negotiations seem very odd to me — why are gyms open in Lancashire but not Liverpool? You would think the goal of a tier system is to make things consistent and straightforward...

 

I can't at this government, the whole point of their tier system is to make it straightforward and avoid the bespoke restrictions for individual areas :huh: