Do you know how much train tickets cost these days? A lot to waste.

 

I do - I have purchased train tickets before. You can try to get a refund. If not, I think it's better to waste in order to save lives.

I do - I have purchased train tickets before. You can try to get a refund. If not, I think it's better to waste in order to save lives.

 

You can't get a refund on advance tickets, which you have to order in order to get an affordable price.

 

It's a lot of money to simply sacrifice, especially money that you wouldn't have spent if you'd known IN ADVANCE that there was to be no travel allowed.

 

If the Government can waste £22bn on a defunct Test and Trace system, they can refund all travel tickets bought for 23/24 December quite frankly.

LOL at the number of people saying "there isn't a Tier 4" Well there is now.

You can't get a refund on advance tickets, which you have to order in order to get an affordable price.

 

It's a lot of money to simply sacrifice, especially money that you wouldn't have spent if you'd known IN ADVANCE that there was to be no travel allowed.

 

If the Government can waste £22bn on a defunct Test and Trace system, they can refund all travel tickets bought for 23/24 December quite frankly.

 

 

Yes I think there'll be a call for that to happen. You can CHANGE the date of travel for £10 each ticket but bit late now.

Edited December 19, 20204 yr by CHRIS-TMAS

If the government has got any sense, they will announce today that they will cover the cost of refunds of train tickets etc. Compared with the amount of money spent on this so far, the cost will be tiny.

This week they said they wouldn’t cancel Christmas and yet here we are. If that announcement a few days ago made people buy tickets who had been wavering then if I was them I’d be apocalyptic with rage

 

 

As it stands im just awaiting pushback at LHR for my second flight on the way home, so couldn’t give less of a f*** for these new restrictions if I tried. I quarantined except for essential food shopping for the last fortnight. I’ve been careful. Unless sturgeon shuts the airspace in the next 90 mins and walls up the border imma have Xmas at home. (Even then I’d just take a swim Round the barricade)

From BBC News.

 

What can stay open in a new Tier 4 area?

The following must close from midnight on Sunday:

 

Non-essential retail

 

Indoor leisure, including gyms

 

Indoor entertainment, including cinemas

 

Personal care, including hairdressers and nail bars

 

Essential retail including supermarkets can stay open.

Edited December 19, 20204 yr by CHRIS-TMAS

Wow, the Tories should really change their symbol to a car making a U-turn, it would be so fitting of them this year!

 

I get it, these are needed. I know first hand how fast it's spreading where I am and shops in particular are worryingly rammed (I went in one shop today and I got seriously anxious how many people were in there, some with no masks). But announcing it going completely back on what they already said and with less than a week until Christmas? Shambolic, So much travel would've already been booked, plans already made etc. and putting all this in place from midnight?! This is going to do nothing except piss people off, I wouldn't expect a rise in compliance and thus no end to the cases, January's gonna be bleak...

 

Ofc. I believe everyone should respect the rules and have a scaled down Christmas with no huge parties and only seeing one or two other households, people should really use their common sense and realise that. We are only seeing my sister this year and I have no plans to have any other meet-ups or long trips out, but you cannot blame that solely on people when these rules are changing by the minute and so little clear guidance is being given.

Exactly, if they had "cancelled" Christmas weeks ago it wouldn't have been so much of an issue.

 

As it stands I'm still going to go to my sister's on Christmas Eve night and come home Boxing Day morning. None of us have left the house in weeks so we can meet up without the threat of passing the virus on, and we're not going to be leaving the house whilst we're there anyway.

 

And besides, I doubt they are going to have people on the Scottish/English border at Coldstream waiting for people to pass through.

 

Also, I've seen this quite a bit on social media and Chez's post just reminded me, why is everyone talking about "scaling down" big Christmas parties? Are they even a thing? I don't know anyone who doesn't just have like 6-8 people max which is near enough what the three bubbles were anyway? :unsure:

You all know I had a difficult day earlier this week but I’ve taken things a bit better today. My grandparents cancelled earlier today which was ok for me because it was their decision. I don’t believe in treating vulnerable people like children and taking these decisions from them. As of this morning my sister was definitely still coming but obviously as she’s in London she’s now had to cancel (I believe she and her boyfriend still have to pay for their hire car even though they won’t be driving it).

 

This time I was with my parents when the news broke and everything has been a huge blow to for my mum who I’m obviously really concerned about right now. My parents are back on the conspiracy theories given the one they followed predicted exactly this would happen but I’ve told them I’m not there on conspiracies so they won’t talk about them around me. We still plan for me and my brother to go to them for Christmas Day. Not sure two single households can bubble with the same house but we are otherwise one of us has to be alone on Christmas Day.

 

Of course, Drakeford got his one up man ship in there by bringing our lockdown forward to tonight. He also calls it Level 4 instead of Tier 4 because he just has to be different.

 

I know I’ll be called selfish for thinking this way but I’m honestly over caring what people think of me at this point. But this is a shambles. All the governments knew this was going to happen but got people’s hopes up anyway and more importantly allowed people to spend money on this day. My mum has some extra food in she’ll need to freeze, we haven’t posted presents to my sister so she won’t get those for a while. Complete and utter incompetence. I will not be listening to anyone saying ‘it’s for the best’ or ‘the government are in a tough spot’ because that’s all shit. I won’t listen to anyone blaming the public who, where I live, have all been completely compliant with everything. The government have made bad choices at every single turn and they completely deserve the blame.

 

I know its one Christmas and all that but I can’t spend a day with people who have isolated since March after spending the last 16 weeks in close proximity with up to 150 teenagers a day from different families where I don’t know where they’ve been or what they’ve been doing. Once again, it feels like the government value literally everyone’s health over my own.

 

I think that’s the end of my rant. It’s very difficult right now to feel happy about anything.

I mean I was referring to larger things like Work or Uni Christmas parties (though I'm pretty sure in most areas they'd break the rules anyway).

I mean I was referring to larger things like Work or Uni Christmas parties (though I'm pretty sure in most areas they'd break the rules anyway).

 

I thought it was a given they were cancelled anyway, well before anything was announced last month.

You all know I had a difficult day earlier this week but I’ve taken things a bit better today. My grandparents cancelled earlier today which was ok for me because it was their decision. I don’t believe in treating vulnerable people like children and taking these decisions from them. As of this morning my sister was definitely still coming but obviously as she’s in London she’s now had to cancel (I believe she and her boyfriend still have to pay for their hire car even though they won’t be driving it).

 

This time I was with my parents when the news broke and everything has been a huge blow to for my mum who I’m obviously really concerned about right now. My parents are back on the conspiracy theories given the one they followed predicted exactly this would happen but I’ve told them I’m not there on conspiracies so they won’t talk about them around me. We still plan for me and my brother to go to them for Christmas Day. Not sure two single households can bubble with the same house but we are otherwise one of us has to be alone on Christmas Day.

 

Of course, Drakeford got his one up man ship in there by bringing our lockdown forward to tonight. He also calls it Level 4 instead of Tier 4 because he just has to be different.

 

I know I’ll be called selfish for thinking this way but I’m honestly over caring what people think of me at this point. But this is a shambles. All the governments knew this was going to happen but got people’s hopes up anyway and more importantly allowed people to spend money on this day. My mum has some extra food in she’ll need to freeze, we haven’t posted presents to my sister so she won’t get those for a while. Complete and utter incompetence. I will not be listening to anyone saying ‘it’s for the best’ or ‘the government are in a tough spot’ because that’s all shit. I won’t listen to anyone blaming the public who, where I live, have all been completely compliant with everything. The government have made bad choices at every single turn and they completely deserve the blame.

 

I know its one Christmas and all that but I can’t spend a day with people who have isolated since March after spending the last 16 weeks in close proximity with up to 150 teenagers a day from different families where I don’t know where they’ve been or what they’ve been doing. Once again, it feels like the government value literally everyone’s health over my own.

 

I think that’s the end of my rant. It’s very difficult right now to feel happy about anything.

 

I totally understand where you're coming from and tbh applaud you for not backing down from your decision. I've not seen my sister since my birthday in March and the fact a new lockdown, which is going to be coming regardless of if everyone or no-one breaks the rules this Christmas, will push it over a year before I can see her, it's going to be too much for me. My relationship with Camden is strained as well with us both working from home and being in a confined space in each other's presence constantly, we need our own time and can't seem to get it.

 

My mam and dad still want to see me at Christmas, it's their decision to put themselves at risk and like you said I don't want to be the one to force them to do something they don't want to do. They are adults and can live with their own consequences, much like I can.

 

I mean I was referring to larger things like Work or Uni Christmas parties (though I'm pretty sure in most areas they'd break the rules anyway).

 

Ah that makes more sense for your post Chez, we had a Zoom Christmas party last night (I think with pubs being closed in Tiers 2 and 3 it would have been hard for them to happen anyway. But I've still seen people talking as if they have every man and their dog, neighbours, long lost cousins etc. round their house on Christmas and I just didn't think that actually happened. :lol:

 

I also don't understand why Schools are STILL not being closed, let alone having school Christmas parties.

f***kkkkkk

 

Scotland in full lockdown now :(

We’re supposedly staggering the return to school after Christmas. I’m now not due back in the building until the 6th with only key worker children in that week. Kids begin returning from 11th with everyone back by the 18th. Obviously that was before today but I honestly think that unless a proper blended learning programme is introduced we should return to only opening for key worker children. If things are as serious as they’re being made out today, it is not safe to fully reopen schools.

@1340383304143540227

 

Covid train to Leeds.

Many shops in Wales are open until 12 tonight but Drakeford is ordering people not to go. People who haven’t finished shopping have little choice, though I’m not sure if there’s any point in shopping now.

@1340383304143540227

 

Covid train to Leeds.

 

 

Looks like when me and dog arrived to find all trains outbound were cancelled due to person under a train just outside SP. We'd to dash to King's Cross to go to Doncaster.

It's not just London though it's the whole country. I've been out tonight and there's been people out from Manchester, Leeds, Wakefield, Newcastle, Middlesborough etc. etc. all where I am. People just do not give a f***. Police came to the venue where I was at and the excuses were "it's been a tough year, have some compassion". The Government can't win, hospitality wants the money after a hard year. It's going to be a shite start to 2021 that's for sure.

Y'all can keep your new strain please. UK please selfisolate from the rest of the world