October 3, 20222 yr And just bad on compilation chart old sound track albums The Greatest Showman album number 1 that from 2017 Edited October 3, 20222 yr by Dj Cheeky Magpie
October 3, 20222 yr And just bad on compilation chart old sound track albums The Greatest Showman album number 1 that from 2017 I reckon less then 20 people look at that chart though!
October 3, 20222 yr I'll always find it a curiosity that the OCC have taken great measures to try and ensure that the singles chart is as fresh and fast moving as possible, but with the albums chart they seem perfectly content with the way things are. If the singles chart can be manipulated to such an extent, then why not the albums chart as well? I suppose a big reason for ACR is because of the chart show and to make it more fresh/entertaining for listeners. Also there’s enough new activity in the album chart each week, like the top entries aren’t being penalised quite as much for their lack of streaming in comparison to compilations due to the high volume of first week sales.
October 3, 20222 yr Yep! Top 5/10 is usually quite fresh, it's #11-> that is the same week after week after week because of the same GHs.
October 3, 20222 yr To say nothing else apart from 'this thread is not as old as I thought it was', the aforementioned Mabel album has been gone from the chart for months, so for these sorts of artificial consumption magnets, the lack of widespread popularity catches up eventually :lol:
October 3, 20222 yr That's not the best example though as it appeared to vanish from the chart due to some kind of rule change (Years & Years' album did the same on the same week) - although it had dropped pretty significantly even before that tbf so might have been legitimately gone by now regardless.
October 3, 20222 yr That's not the best example though as it appeared to vanish from the chart due to some kind of rule change (Years & Years' album did the same on the same week) - although it had dropped pretty significantly even before that tbf so might have been legitimately gone by now regardless. Oh? What's known about that? Mabel was #100 the previous week so there is a lot of plausible deniability though I suppose you'd expect her to jump in and out for a little while.
October 3, 20222 yr We don't know anything about it for sure but Jay posted about it a while ago - that and Years & Years both just vanished from the top 200 entirely very suddenly and unrealistically. I'm guessing it's because they stopped counting the songs that were already on the 'Ivy To Roses' mixtape, and for Y&Y that they stopped counting the tagged on songs from earlier albums, but that's entirely speculation.
October 4, 20222 yr Yep! Top 5/10 is usually quite fresh, it's #11-> that is the same week after week after week because of the same GHs. Thats true, 11-20 is the same GH and big albums week in week out, if we look at this weeks top 20: 11 Lewis Capaldi-Uninspired to... 12 This is Eninem playlist 13 Olivia Rodrigo - Sur 14 Beyonce - Renaissance 15 This is Queen playlist 16 This is Fleetwood Mac playlist 17 This is Oasis playlist 18 This is Elton John playlist 19 This is Elvis playlist 20 Ed- Divide
September 9, 2024Sep 9 The next release that'll have a permanent residency at the top end of the chart, soon! 1. The A Team 2. Lego House 3. You Need Me, I Don't Need You 4. Give Me Love 5. Sing 6. Don't 7. Thinking Out Loud 8. Bloodstream 9. Photograph 10. Tenerife Sea 11. I See Fire 12. Lay It All On Me (with Rudimental) 13. Castle On The Hill 14. Shape Of You 15. Galway Girl 16. Perfect 17. Happier 18. Dive 19. I Don't Care with Justin Bieber 20. Beautiful People feat. Khalid 21. Afterglow 22. Bad Habits 23. Shivers 24. Eyes Closed
September 10, 2024Sep 10 We are lucky that none of those songs is going to go viral anytime soon, and his only regular hit (the Christmas song) is not on it - at least for now.
September 10, 2024Sep 10 As I stated on the sales thread I actually believe the album charts top 10 at least looks a lot better than it has done this summer with all the big new albums doing well for a number of weeks on streaming!
September 10, 2024Sep 10 So I've said in the past that I wouldn't mind Greatest Hits* compilations being shipped off to their own charts, but I have to wonder what does it actually accomplish in terms of the greater good of the chart? You'll see less brick wall big WI numbers but is there really all that much worthwhile in those positions below the top 100 that are being shoved out of the way? I feel like all of the full-intent album listening experiences kind of cancel each other out and you're just left with 'which album has the biggest 3rd single?' Are we truly enriched if an album has a chart run of 1-56-98-out instead of 1-85-out? I guess if there's an example worth looking at, it's New Zealand's album chart. They kick off any album that's been there for more than 18 months into a catalogue chart, a rule that's been enacted so many times that the catalogue chart houses higher sales once you go beyond the top end of both charts. Both charts are top 40s, but it feels like the official chart stretches that top 40 to the point that #40 is probably around #120 in reality. But is the chart more interesting for it? Not really. Removing so many albums just means that the live remaining ones have less ranks to slip through. It's a lot of treading water until their own 78 week limit runs out. So I guess I can't think of anything that would realistically liven up the album chart and make it interesting in the way that it once was, without tearing it all down into something that scarcely reflects reality (and will probably become stale and uninteresting once the novelty wears off). It's probably best off just leaving it to its own natural behaviour. *But even then, are hit packed albums like "Teenage Dream", "AM", "Divinely Uninspired..." etc that much functionally different to Greatest Hits? Reading the album chart week on week and these albums sure do walk, swim & quack like a duck
September 10, 2024Sep 10 There have always been mainstays in the chart, and there always will be. The main issue here is the double counting (well, triple counting) of streams, really. Streams of tracks are counted towards the studio album that they are a part of, but also the highest selling (I belive) greatest hits of the week (if there is one). This leads us to situations where albums like Rumours and 50 Years - Don't Stop chart simultaneously. Sure, they're both probably gonna chart perenially anyway (as Rumours IS a popular album, and Fleetwood Mac ARE a popular act), but probably in a more #41 & #53 way than their current #15 and #30ish residency. Couple this with the streams counting towards the singles chart too, and neither chart is really reflecting what it's intended to reflect. 🤣
September 10, 2024Sep 10 ^exactly. If you go to Spotify and search for the This is Oasis playlist and hit play and the first song Wonderwall plays then you're giving streaming points to the song for the singles chart, to the Morning Glory album and to the Time Flies Best Of but you actually didn't stream from any of those and your intention wasn't to stream from any of those :)
September 10, 2024Sep 10 The obvious thing to do is to create different ratios for studio albums and greatest hits so they at least don’t clog up the top 10 by default on a quiet week. So either increase the ratio for greatest hits streaming conversions or decrease them for studio albums. As with most aspects of the charts the studio album side is a mess but I think perhaps following the model they use in Germany would be a good idea. No free streaming counts (which should be across the board to be frankly honest) and a certain amount of tracks have to be listened to in order for them all to count towards the weekly sale, maybe a percentage might work better. That way an album full of hit singles won’t just stay afloat unless people have streamed outside of the singles so it might be a better way of reflecting what’s actually popular. Edited September 10, 2024Sep 10 by Supercell
September 10, 2024Sep 10 The obvious thing to do is to create different ratios for studio albums and greatest hits so they at least don’t clog up the top 10 by default on a quiet week. So either increase the ratio for greatest hits streaming conversions or decrease them for studio albums. As with most aspects of the charts the studio album side is a mess but I think perhaps following the model they use in Germany would be a good idea. No free streaming counts (which should be across the board to be frankly honest) and a certain amount of tracks have to be listened to in order for them all to count towards the weekly sale, maybe a percentage might work better. That way an album full of hit singles won’t just stay afloat unless people have streamed outside of the singles so it might be a better way of reflecting what’s actually popular. But what does this actually accomplish? You've still got the same state of things just with the numbers tinkered around. As I was kind of saying in my previous post, what's the significant distinction between studio albums & greatest hits that the latter needs to be punished? Because the latter has an easier time charting despite there being less intrinsic attachment to it as a product because it's not an individual artistic statement? If that's the case, then they're already punished by the fact that surely less people will buy them (ignoring the fact that people do still buy them). But for instance, Olivia Rodrigo's "SOUR" received (according to kworb) 6.4 million streams yesterday. The least popular track is "hope ur ok" and that had 130 thousand streams. Even if absolutely nobody streamed that one song on its own, that's at most about a quarter of its streams coming from full listens. In reality, it's probably way less. Any studio album with legs on the chart is going to be subject to the same sort of cherry-picking as a Greatest Hits album. This is all just the nature of the attention & listening cycle nowadays. I'm yet to see a 'solution' that doesn't just create a different status quo to get bored and annoyed with.
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