January 16, 20232 yr Such sad news that the Government are just openly being transphobic now. You'd think Sunak would want to start off without something like this so early into his tenure.....
January 16, 20232 yr Author Sunak has shown already he is a spineless, opportunist, charlatan who exists to protect the wealthy and has no principles of his own. He knows exactly what he is doing - trying to get the nasty press, UKippers on side and very happy to use trans people as collateral. The attack on Sturgeon is just a juicy bonus. The even more depressing thing is that Starmer is. playing that game too to a certain extent. Whether it is enough to aid independence greatly on its own, I'm not too sure. Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't see this as a hill that Scottish people would die on. But it would be used as an example of England's bullying and arrogance. Coming after the Tories have introduced legislation to ban even more types of peaceful protest this is yet more dark days for the UK. People say "It can never happen here" about the Nazi Germany but my God, it's beginning - even though the exact destination may be different, the language against minorities, the corrupt Government, the divide and rule during hard financial times for all, it's all there. Although the ones I REALLY hate for all of this is the fascist 5 newspapers - Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Times. Thousands of trans articles posted every year - all of them negative, never including trans voices. For what it's worth, I do think the good will out and trans will finally get freedom and experience trans joy in the UK but my God it's not going to be pretty in the meantime.
January 17, 20232 yr The main thing I keep seeing is that it's harms women's rights and is dangerous to children, as I keep reading on Facebook. This it's implying that it's men transitioning to women that are the issue. What about women transitioning to men? How is that any different? Why isn't it a problem? My other issue is why the f*** are the Tory party so hell bent on A- trying to do whatever they can to piss off the Scottish electorate and B- acting as if we're back in the 1500's and blocking progress on a bill that has already been passed in multiple other countries without issue?
January 17, 20232 yr The fact that similar legislation has been passed elsewhere has been almost totally ignored in all coverage of this issue. People could be forgiven that the Scottish legislation is revolutionary and unprecedented. Liars, the lot of them. The sheer amount of bad faith and misquoting in this discussion is absolutely infuriating. This is just what political discussion seems to look like now in the UK. Let's not talk about what legislation ACTUALLY means, but what (unimformed and uneducated) people THINK it means...
January 17, 20232 yr The main thing I keep seeing is that it's harms women's rights and is dangerous to children, as I keep reading on Facebook. This it's implying that it's men transitioning to women that are the issue. What about women transitioning to men? How is that any different? Why isn't it a problem? My other issue is why the f*** are the Tory party so hell bent on A- trying to do whatever they can to piss off the Scottish electorate and B- acting as if we're back in the 1500's and blocking progress on a bill that has already been passed in multiple other countries without issue? You would be forgiven for thinking lesbians don't exist either. The discussion of sexual and also general assaults the way its framed always STRONGLY implies there is NO WAY any woman could pose any kind of threat to any other woman.
January 17, 20232 yr The main thing I keep seeing is that it's harms women's rights and is dangerous to children, as I keep reading on Facebook. This it's implying that it's men transitioning to women that are the issue. What about women transitioning to men? How is that any different? Why isn't it a problem? My other issue is why the f*** are the Tory party so hell bent on A- trying to do whatever they can to piss off the Scottish electorate and B- acting as if we're back in the 1500's and blocking progress on a bill that has already been passed in multiple other countries without issue? And in addition to what J00p says, ignores the safety of trans women themselves. It's also in no way a harming of women's rights or is a danger to children. It advances the freedom of people to choose - doesn't detract from what cis women are, and makes it less likely trans children will be harmed, not more. What it IS is a threat to traditional society and so people get concerned about 'degeneracy'. As for the Tories, this is absolutely not what the union needs to survive and the sooner they stop speaking for England by running roughshod over devolved parliaments the better.
January 17, 20232 yr And in addition to what J00p says, ignores the safety of trans women themselves. It's also in no way a harming of women's rights or is a danger to children. It advances the freedom of people to choose - doesn't detract from what cis women are, and makes it less likely trans children will be harmed, not more. What it IS is a threat to traditional society and so people get concerned about 'degeneracy'. As for the Tories, this is absolutely not what the union needs to survive and the sooner they stop speaking for England by running roughshod over devolved parliaments the better. Yes, I maybe should have included the first bit. Also, I just want to make it clear that what I said in my post was based on what I've been reading as the main sentiment towards the hostility of this bill and that I know that there's no harm to women's rights or the safety of children. I'm not sure if you were telling me that it doesn't do any of those things because you thought I did or if you were agreeing with me. And yes that is exactly right about the union. I'm not a unionist by any means and I reckon Independence could be a brilliant thing for Scotland but it really is starting to feel like the Tory government are trying to drive up anti-engkish sentiment from Scotland at the moment. I wonder if maybe they're for seperating the union as well but don't want to go ahead and shout that everywhere and so underhandedly push support for independence. Like I know that's a crazy theory but anything is possible these days right?
January 17, 20232 yr Yes, I maybe should have included the first bit. Also, I just want to make it clear that what I said in my post was based on what I've been reading as the main sentiment towards the hostility of this bill and that I know that there's no harm to women's rights or the safety of children. I'm not sure if you were telling me that it doesn't do any of those things because you thought I did or if you were agreeing with me. And yes that is exactly right about the union. I'm not a unionist by any means and I reckon Independence could be a brilliant thing for Scotland but it really is starting to feel like the Tory government are trying to drive up anti-engkish sentiment from Scotland at the moment. I wonder if maybe they're for seperating the union as well but don't want to go ahead and shout that everywhere and so underhandedly push support for independence. Like I know that's a crazy theory but anything is possible these days right? Oh yeah, I just felt like re-emphasising and debunking those claims against it, because while they are baseless, read at face value some, not you, could argue that they have some basis in fact. So I don't think that the Conservative government is doing this with any desire to make the independence case move in one direction or the other, nor was it the idea of the SNP with this bill, despite baseless claims I've seen to the contrary elsewhere on the internet. Though it may lead to further consequences. What's far more likely is that the Conservatives have gotten high on their own supply once again, judged our incredibly transphobic press to be the mood of the country, and gone for stamping out any pro-trans bills so that come election time hacks can write thinkpieces on how Conservatives protect women and Labour are the real danger to women's rights. Transphobia completely destroys people's brains. Fun thing is that none of the screeching tabloids, at least UK-wide, have really backed them on it, it's only a second line in the more serious papers and it didn't even make The Times front page, there's not really a way they can sell 'threatened the state of the union over an improvement to the Equality Act' in big scary lettering plus it's not Boris doing this.
January 17, 20232 yr It's just wild to see it come to this. Go back 20 years and a trans woman won Big Brother, voted for by the British public as the one they liked the best. Cher's son came out as trans roughly 15 years ago and there was no suggestion that this was perverse or any kind of threat to anyone. Dana International won Eurovision in the 90s while (gasp) being trans. The 'general public mood' on trans people hasn't shifted organically to the negative as much as people have been whipped up to have fear and prejudice towards trans people by a few bad faith actors in the media and the political sphere looking for a quick win and not caring if that actually harms REAL HUMAN people as part of it.
January 17, 20232 yr Author Well of course Eurovision is being hosted by the UK in just a few months where there will likely be trans representation I guess (I watch it but don't follow the build up so can't guarantee) - will really highlight how bad things are for them at the moment. Of course in the USA, for which a lot of our far right like to mimic, they have, in several states banned any drag or cross dressing performance where there is a risk that a child can see, even if it is completely non sexual - like reading stories to them. Anyway the blocking of the Scottish Parliament decision passed with a grand total of 11 Labour MPs voting against. Very disappointing.
January 18, 20232 yr No better way to get absolutely f***ing triggered and have your day ruined than to see new replies in this thread in the morning. These conservative fascist governments need to be stopped.
January 18, 20232 yr Author So many TERFs in the Labour party, it's not exactly surprising. :( Seen a lot of commentators and people on twitter saying that Labour are picking their battles carefully and that they don't want to be dragged into culture war issues. Which I can understand in some circumstances (drug legalisation, going full on for rejoining the EU), I can't agree with on this particular issue. Firstly, these are vulnerable people's lives at stake and these policies and the reporting around it furthermore drives up casual hatred against trans people, effectively making it open season. Secondly, I would want a Labour government that stood up against the horrific right wing media that has for decades cast poison and division in this country. If not now, when? Would I still vote for Labour though, despite all that - and my local MP is not on the list of people who voted against - I would, you have to go for the best option running and hope that the worst of Labour is better than the best of the Tories.
January 21, 20232 yr I went to the protest in Glasgow today. Solidarity. Although I did think some of the chants will give Tories & conservatives ammunition against the queer community unfortunately. Also met Lawrence Chaney!
February 5, 20232 yr Did anyone see QT with India Willoughby on it? Truly harrowing stuff - India made a lot of valid points but was shouted at and belittled with very little support and the audience applauding transphobia! I knew it was getting bad but not THAT bad. I really need to get involved with more protests and action because the state of transphobia within this country is astounding and I hold JK Rowling accountable for a lot of it, a vile horrid witch of a woman who needs to be burnt at the stake.
February 5, 20232 yr The rich always rile people up against one scapegoat or another. They whipped up MASSIVE xenophobia over Brexshit, and MASSIVE mass hysteria over the EU, when people just didn't care before it now they are doing the same over trans people and allies. Looking throughout history, we can see people can be fed hatred and respond with mass hysteria - witch trials, homophobia, sexism, VERY conservative morals, etc... It doesn't surprise me that the audience is like this, espexially with BBTory purposefully searching doe right wingers for QuestionTime to influence, even more, the Overton Window.
February 5, 20232 yr Author Yes rally today run by Posie Parker - a completely hideous Nazi collaborator TERF in Glasgow, although they were met by a counter protest singing disco classics! Does mean Pride parades this year could be interesting now that there is a becoming a huge mainstreaming of hatred against the LGBT community.
February 11, 20232 yr I’ve just been to visit my parents who I currently have a better relationship with now that their Covid madness has subsided but we ended up discussing the trans community and it just sucks how transphobic my parents are. They seem to take umbridge with the community for ‘not being tolerant of people who struggle to understand’ which is of course one of the biggest hypocrisies I’ve ever heard. Their take seems to be basically assume the younger generation are being ageist by not accepting older people not being accepting of the trans community. I did argue this with them but it’s fruitless. I do worry that this is something that will happen to me with age.
February 13, 20232 yr @1625050895942656000 Absolutely tragic. @1625057183183282177 The British media is truly beyond repair.
February 13, 20232 yr British people in online spaces are so angry. Very little emotional intelligence. It's quite disturbing to be honest.
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