I don’t think there’s any productive discussion to be had in relation to the topic because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between the two.

I don’t think Jesys sister’s statement was particularly scathing though if I’m honest.

5 minutes ago, Billy. said:

I don’t think there’s any productive discussion to be had in relation to the topic because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between the two.

I don’t think Jesys sister’s statement was particularly scathing though if I’m honest.

It was basically a statement to Perrie it references everything from Perrie's interview I'd say it was pretty passive aggressive.

Perrie is allowed to dislike or not want to work with Jesy. She shows no evidence of having matured in my book except for in the eyes of people who have always been out to make excuses for her.

12 minutes ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

It was basically a statement to Perrie it references everything from Perrie's interview I'd say it was pretty passive aggressive.

But it wasn’t scathing or abusive though was it? I’m not sure why it’s such a surprise/bad thing that she would want to defend her sister especially if she feels like there are mistruths?

I think the problem is that people don’t like someone ‘coming for’ Perrie, but all she did was dispute what was said, which is to be expected just like Jesy should have expected the girls to do after her documentary.

This isn’t a defense of Jesy either partly because it’s quite boring rehashing everything that happened 6 years ago at this point and partly because nobody will really ever know what happened properly.

She might of disputed what perrie has said but she doesnt exactly dispute it very truthfully, especially when the visual media (i.e. the documentary) is there in black and white

Edited June 10Jun 10 by 777666jason

44 minutes ago, Billy. said:

But it wasn’t scathing or abusive though was it? I’m not sure why it’s such a surprise/bad thing that she would want to defend her sister especially if she feels like there are mistruths?

I think the problem is that people don’t like someone ‘coming for’ Perrie, but all she did was dispute what was said, which is to be expected just like Jesy should have expected the girls to do after her documentary.

This isn’t a defense of Jesy either partly because it’s quite boring rehashing everything that happened 6 years ago at this point and partly because nobody will really ever know what happened properly.

It's not the best PR move when the evidence is all there. I like to think I'm a fair person and I watched her documentary subjectively. I like Jesy again, I think she's done amazing work and she seems pretty grounded now. However, that doesn't excuse the fact she really hasn't taken much accountability for anything.

If you're going to defend a family member it's probably not the best idea to claim things that haven't happened when the evidence is all in the public eye and basically write a response to Perrie essentially dismissing all of it (When everyone who's been following the fallout has seen Jesy's lack of accountability).

Perrie has EVERY right to feel hurt by her words in the documentary Jesy essentially said no one was there for her which we know for a fact that's not true. Time and time again the girls were hugging and comforting Jesy (That's also coming from behind the scene's footage / fans video's etc....).

Jesy's sister is also clearly upset people are 'hating' on Jesy but the exact same thing happened after Jesy's documentary came out, so it works both ways.

Exactly if you watch the first documentary Odd One Out you can clearly see the girls couldnt be more there for her

Jesy didn't consider Perrie's mental health when her team decided to leak to The S*n that she was the member who wanted to leave in 2020. What about the hate sent her way? Or when Nicki Minaj went in on Leigh-Anne and Jesy proceeded to laugh, despite Leigh just giving birth.

The same grace she and her family expects is never extended to the others. They've been essentially forced to give polite PR answers because if they do speak out, they are cruel and unsympathetic. But Jesy is given full reign to say whatever and is protected because of her circumstances.

So glad Perrie was direct and honest. Now they can draw a line in the sand and leave it as. Jesy will not be back and that's ok.

Edited June 10Jun 10 by colinn

Yeah no its defo not now

56 minutes ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

It's not the best PR move when the evidence is all there. I like to think I'm a fair person and I watched her documentary subjectively. I like Jesy again, I think she's done amazing work and she seems pretty grounded now. However, that doesn't excuse the fact she really hasn't taken much accountability for anything.

If you're going to defend a family member it's probably not the best idea to claim things that haven't happened when the evidence is all in the public eye and basically write a response to Perrie essentially dismissing all of it (When everyone who's been following the fallout has seen Jesy's lack of accountability).

Perrie has EVERY right to feel hurt by her words in the documentary Jesy essentially said no one was there for her which we know for a fact that's not true. Time and time again the girls were hugging and comforting Jesy (That's also coming from behind the scene's footage / fans video's etc....).

Jesy's sister is also clearly upset people are 'hating' on Jesy but the exact same thing happened after Jesy's documentary came out, so it works both ways.

I agree regarding Jesy’s lack of accountability, not sure if there’s some confusion here because I haven’t said that Jades statement was factually correct or gospel, just that I’m not surprised to see someone else has put their perspective on the situation and I don’t think it was particularly scathing.

There does seem to be a lack of nuance when it comes to this discussion though (in general) which I always find interesting as it tends to boil down to what side you’re on and not looking at as a whole - e.g. Jesy can feel unsupported at the end of the relationship which was a result of the girls being at the end of their tether due to the stress we know was put on them. Both points of view from Perrie and Jesy can co-exist without one being the big bad and the other the victim.

That’s my two pence on it really, hopefully now both sides have been aired they can move forward however that will be.

Edited June 10Jun 10 by Billy.

Perrie is doing too much I’m sorry. The point has been hammered home now, it feels like every month she’s saying something else about Jesy.

I’m fairly neutral on this topic so please don’t come at me thinking I’m some Jesy stan x

3 hours ago, Slayer said:

Whether what Perrie has said is right/wrong whatever the amount of hate Jesy is getting insane!

Why do you ALWAYS go on about the ‘hate’ Jesy gets whenever something comes up in the news about the group? What about the negative comments Jesy fans are making about Perrie?

Negative comments is not HATE.

Reminder that Jade and Perrie suffered from eating disorders, anxiety and agoraphobia as well as Perrie having a miscarriage and a very public break up. They were all young girls needing professional help and it’s not up to THEM to be Jesy’s therapist!

When Jesy left the group the other girls offered to speak to her with a therapist present to PROTECT them all and Jesy refused and then was the one to complain that her phonecall with the girls was ‘awkward’. Duh? That’s what the therapist was for?!

Edited June 10Jun 10 by Slayer

Personal attacks to any users are not okay. I’d also appreciate if people did not DM me telling me to f*** myself or any other hateful messages. Please be respectful.

Also, I have to laugh at all the comments criticising Perrie because of ‘what Jesy is going through’.

Why is Jesy and her family allowed to drag the girls through the mud on a documentary being shown to millions of people but the other girls aren’t allowed to respond when asked directly about it?

43 minutes ago, Slayer said:

Personal attacks to any users are not okay. I’d also appreciate if people did not DM me telling me to f*** myself or any other hateful messages. Please be respectful.

Where were the personal attacks? I didn’t see any?

3 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Where were the personal attacks? I didn’t see any?

Deleted and dealt with! No need to worry.

56 minutes ago, Slayer said:

Personal attacks to any users are not okay. I’d also appreciate if people did not DM me telling me to f*** myself or any other hateful messages. Please be respectful.

Anyone doing that should get an immediate ban, how dare they DM messages like that! 😲😠 Hope you are OK. ❤️

2 hours ago, No Sleeep said:

Perrie is doing too much I’m sorry. The point has been hammered home now, it feels like every month she’s saying something else about Jesy.

I’m fairly neutral on this topic so please don’t come at me thinking I’m some Jesy stan x

What else has Perrie said though? Apart from being asked the question about whether they’ll reunite as a 4 or 3?

Jesy did a full documentary and some podcasts/tv interviews about it all, saying stuff that hasn’t been kind about the girls (stuff that has been debunked via various Twitter threads) but the others are meant to stay silent and not give their side? Hardly fair.

2 hours ago, No Sleeep said:

Perrie is doing too much I’m sorry. The point has been hammered home now, it feels like every month she’s saying something else about Jesy.

I’m fairly neutral on this topic so please don’t come at me thinking I’m some Jesy stan x

Too much? By answering a question honestly? In all fairness, she could have done much much more. Why should the 3 of them have to stay quiet when Jesy speaks about the situation at every opportunity? It can’t only be one way - life doesn’t work like that.

Frankly I don't think Jesy is very clever, I don't think she really understands what's going on around her and I don't think anyone in her circle does either.

That's the easiest explanation for the way she behaves and has behaved in the past.

I genuinely don't think she understands what it would mean to take accountability and that's why she hasn't done it. It's also why she was taken in so easily by Nicki Minaj and why in the first place she was convinced that leaving Little Mix 'for her mental health' and then immediately releasing a solo music video and single would be a good career move and not contradict itself in any way.

Jesy's documentary would have still been successful if there was no mention of the girls not supporting her, and the alleged "is that it? Are we done now?" comments.

Perrie put it succinctly in the podcast. Jesy was supported by the girls. They might not have been 100% all the time, because they too are human and were going through their own adulting and public eye/girl group sh*t; but they tried their best some/most times. If she felt there were times they didn't quite meet up, why does the public need to know? And why expect perfection from flawed humans? They offered to speak to her via a therapist to resolve issues, but she still refused!

It's all a mess, especially as this is one girl group that truly champions girls standing together.

Oh, and by the way, actions have consequences. You don't put something out online/to the public and expect no antagonistic comments. If you look for them, you'll find them. Not a justification; just being realistic.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by zigazigaah