On one hand the potential damage InLizWeTruss could wreak on the Tory party fills me with hope for the future, but on the other hand 2+ years of her particular brand of loony tunes “government” can only leave the country in a dire position.

 

Not that Rishi Rich is any better, of course.

Whilst I'm not happy, I'm also happy? At least with Rishi or Truss they will both be easy targets during a GE. If Penny had won, I feel she could've turned things around as coming across as a sensible option being detached from Boris and increased their polling numbers again.

 

In saying that, I don't really see how this government will survive what's to come this winter unless they use a huge amount of money to help people. If this winter is a cold/very cold one it'll be even worse.

It's a tough one. You feel Sunak polls well and is fairly popular, but he also won't reduce taxes and plus he's not white, so I can imagine he will lose a lot of votes on his skin colour with the member base, that is something to consider. The memberbase also love Maggie, so Truss will try her best to emulate her much in the same way May did too. I'd feel Sunak is a muich safer pair of hands and way more competent and looney than Truss. I've just not sure any of them have the same charisma as Boris to carry them through a general election and hoover up votes. The cost of living is about to hit massively, I'm just not sure anyone can ride that wave, eventually people want a change, even if it is temporary.

 

Cummings has hinted as much Boris will be waiting in the wings, much in the same way Trump is. So that will be an interesting side story too.

On the flipside, I feel like Boris's charisma is manufactured by a long media narrative.

 

Given time, the will of the media owners, and the right suppression/burying tactics of certain stories, they will be able to portray the winner as different from how they're currently perceived. For Truss they can play that she's a devoted wife and mother, much younger than Starmer and who is 'just doing her best'. I would expect her to get a style makeover and appear in all the tabloids as a Kate Middleton type. Rishi can play on the successful immigrant storyline and the Tories will hammer hard how diverse they are in terms of the top jobs while Starmer is 'another old white man' that they will try and tie both to Corbyn and to Boris. They've already laid the groundwork of prejudice against Rayner as well.

 

Personal charisma isn't as relevant as the narrative they can construct. They already know as well that they can dodge interviews and public appearances outside of carefully curated in order to sell a distorted image of what is really going on. We have just finished years of notorious cheat, liar and philanderer Johnson being portrayed as a courageous and friendly family man, after all!

It's a tough one. You feel Sunak polls well and is fairly popular, but he also won't reduce taxes and plus he's not white, so I can imagine he will lose a lot of votes on his skin colour with the member base, that is something to consider. The memberbase also love Maggie, so Truss will try her best to emulate her much in the same way May did too. I'd feel Sunak is a muich safer pair of hands and way more competent and looney than Truss. I've just not sure any of them have the same charisma as Boris to carry them through a general election and hoover up votes. The cost of living is about to hit massively, I'm just not sure anyone can ride that wave, eventually people want a change, even if it is temporary.

 

Cummings has hinted as much Boris will be waiting in the wings, much in the same way Trump is. So that will be an interesting side story too.

LOL. Boris must have a reliable dealer in his contacts list if he thinks he'll ever have a chance of becoming Prime Minister again, the British public hate him so much. If there was one person who would not win a general election for the Conservatives going forward it's Boris.

On the flipside, I feel like Boris's charisma is manufactured by a long media narrative.

 

Given time, the will of the media owners, and the right suppression/burying tactics of certain stories, they will be able to portray the winner as different from how they're currently perceived. For Truss they can play that she's a devoted wife and mother, much younger than Starmer and who is 'just doing her best'. I would expect her to get a style makeover and appear in all the tabloids as a Kate Middleton type. Rishi can play on the successful immigrant storyline and the Tories will hammer hard how diverse they are in terms of the top jobs while Starmer is 'another old white man' that they will try and tie both to Corbyn and to Boris. They've already laid the groundwork of prejudice against Rayner as well.

 

Personal charisma isn't as relevant as the narrative they can construct. They already know as well that they can dodge interviews and public appearances outside of carefully curated in order to sell a distorted image of what is really going on. We have just finished years of notorious cheat, liar and philanderer Johnson being portrayed as a courageous and friendly family man, after all!

 

Not sure I agree too much with that. Boris' narrative was made even greater by the media, but that is also because he would sing, dance and change his spots for the media. Truss would do the same too, but she is not like Johnson. As much as I loathe the guy, he was certainly unique in the game of politics. People liked him because he was funny and a bit wacky and probably channeled some of his Nigel Farage despite being a posh Eton lad (see Chris' love affair). I just don't see Sunak or Truss being able to build up that level of cult status. Sunak has given people free money and food so he probably has some saving Grace, but he is so closely associated to the Johnson era, that's going to be a difficult tag to shed in the short term.

 

LOL. Boris must have a reliable dealer in his contacts list if he thinks he'll ever have a chance of becoming Prime Minister again, the British public hate him so much. If there was one person who would not win a general election for the Conservatives going forward it's Boris.

 

They hate him now, but people forget. He delivered the biggest Conservative win in decades - if they lose the next general election they will panic.

I don't find Boris funny or wacky. I find him disturbing. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to have some skeletons in the closet.

My calculation is simple, that Sunak is politely evil, that he will do what is necessary for conservative capitalism/ghoulish neoliberalism (basically the same thing) to continue while selling the suffering it causes as a moral good and/or inescapable fact of life, and considering the legacy of the Cameron years, someone reasonably effective at making himself scrub up nice while enacting inhumane policies... I fear that far more than what is effectively Johnson continuity but with a complete charisma void and a high chance of amusing gaffes to unite voters against her.

 

Now if the Tory members seem to like Truss I'd be all for it as I reckon there's no way she wins an election and she'll be less effective at moving the country in the wrong direction.

LOL. Boris must have a reliable dealer in his contacts list if he thinks he'll ever have a chance of becoming Prime Minister again, the British public hate him so much. If there was one person who would not win a general election for the Conservatives going forward it's Boris.

 

 

 

Unfortunately we'll never know that. :( You can't say he's "hated by the British people" as it's only some of them. I don't hate him at all and my black cab mate along the road still thinks he's great and was stabbed in the back.

 

There's a petition by 2000 Tory members to have him put on the ballot with Sunak and Truss and let them five their verdict on him. Remember he hasn't resigned yet formally.

Unfortunately we'll never know that. :( You can't say he's "hated by the British people" as it's only some of them. I don't hate him at all and my black cab mate along the road still thinks he's great and was stabbed in the back.

 

There's a petition by 2000 Tory members to have him put on the ballot with Sunak and Truss and let them five their verdict on him. Remember he hasn't resigned yet formally.

 

Ah more Boris loving insanity :lol:

Johnson won't be back. He was dumped because of his habitual lying about everything he did wrong and terrible decisions he made. Tories always save their own skin first and foremost. You can't whitewash a tanking economy. People vote with their wallet. Truss' intentions show no signs of doing anything to improve things in 2 years, other than a short term tax cut, borrowing shitloads more cash to cover it, or else letting the NHS go under (which the NI increase was designed to help). As the NHS is already in crisis, the more people lose loved ones to ambulances not turning up and operation waiting lists of years the more voters will turn against them. Starmer has a gift: Tories promised the NHS would be safe, and that theyd get extra money. Under Truss that's not looking any more likely.

 

Thatcher had a style make-over to make her more appealing: a new hairdo and altering her shrieking harpy vocals down to a whisper so as not to frighten children. Truss can get a new hairdo but it'll be tough to do anything about the bizarre social difficulties she has. She has no idea how to relate to people, do banter, come over as caring (or in Thatcher's case condescending), be likeable, or avoid looking like she's stepped out of a Punch & Judy show. And she'd be Mr. Punch, not Judy, randomly threatening nuclear armageddon over a minor trading agreement that she failed to get signed off.

 

Sunak's main disadvantage is he's filthy rich, a creative tax avoider, supported Johnson (as did Truss) despite everything he did, is a little less likely to appeal to Northerners, what with being posh and non-white, but has the advantage of subsidising folk during Covid when he had to, and is mildly competent and rational.

Sunak’s main disadvantage is he's filthy rich, a creative tax avoider, supported Johnson (as did Truss) despite everything he did, is a little less likely to appeal to Northerners, what with being posh and non-white, but has the advantage of subsidising folk during Covid when he had to, and is mildly competent and rational.

Less of this please, do better.

Less of this please, do better.

 

True. Should have added "and Southerners what with being non-white". A fair proportion of people are universally bigoted, in my experience and that applies to people of all races, genders and sexual inclination holding illogical and stupid views even when you'd think they would be in a position to understand "emapthy" as a concept. Tories, oddly, seem to be colour-blind when it comes to money.

 

I am Northern BTW in upbringing and things have improved since the days when people used to talk about "darkies" but errr Brexit and all that, people def still resent "foreigners". I still hear bigotry. But apologies for targeting the North specifically. I can only speak for areas I personally know.

 

Meanwhile, this:

 

 

 

Ian Dunt

@IanDunt

"Asking Liz Truss to lead the country is like asking a hamster to invent a space programme"

Unfortunately we'll never know that. :( You can't say he's "hated by the British people" as it's only some of them. I don't hate him at all and my black cab mate along the road still thinks he's great and was stabbed in the back.

 

There's a petition by 2000 Tory members to have him put on the ballot with Sunak and Truss and let them five their verdict on him. Remember he hasn't resigned yet formally.

 

I assume as some people still like him and to state that is unfair, that you'd conclude that Brexit isn't "the will of the people"

Just shows how stupid 2000 Tories are.

 

Or all of them?

I can't believe they've actually been stupid enough to make Pork Markets the next probable PM. :lol:

 

Jesus Harold Christ

Some more comedic moments from Liz Truss:

 

I assume as some people still like him and to state that is unfair, that you'd conclude that Brexit isn't "the will of the people"

 

Of course Brexit is the will of the people. Leave won in the referendum didn't it?

Well latest UKGov poll among Tory members puts Truss ahead at 62% to 38% for Sunak. Looks like Truss is going to win and I wouldn’t have predicted that at the start of the race when she was third. Neither of the two finalists are good choices. Both are completely out of touch with the general public. Sunak is a millionaire and is very smarmy, lacking in empathy. Truss is cold, ruthless and lacks any real credibility. If she is elected, I predict like her two predecessors she won’t last more than a few years at best.