Corrupt Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick has resigned because the proposed far-right Rwanda legislation isn't far-right enough. The far right nutjob wants to join Belarus and Russia in refusing to be bound by the European Convention On Human Rights.

can't believe he resigned because the Rwanda plan wasn't evil enough. Well, I can, but dear god.

 

The announcement about the rules on spouses changing and raising to the earning requirements to £38,000 for the British member of the couple has been really sticking with me as possibly one of the most horrendous policies yet (obviously I did think a lot about what would happen if I had a foreign spouse and the potential complications for visas was a major factor in my not really ever taking that possibility seriously, which is wrong, society should never get to dictate that).

 

And then to put a salary cap on it, directly tying ones worth as a human to their earning potential, and given its something far beyond what many in this country will reach due to an appallingly low average salary and it just seems like the cruelty is the point (yes, it is).

Also, it's been getting to me, IMMIGRATION IS f***ING GOOD FOR AN ECONOMY AND ESPECIALLY THE UK'S AT THIS PRESENT TIME I AM SO SICK OF OUR COUNTRY'S DISCOURSE ON THIS

I’m sure this whole Rwanda policy will be reversed if Labour win the next election as expected. What concerns me is the amount of money the Tories have already spent on such a dreadful policy which was never going to work. It’s an absolute waste of tax payers money at a time when our services are on their knees and many councils are at risk of bankruptcy.

can't believe he resigned because the Rwanda plan wasn't evil enough. Well, I can, but dear god.

 

The announcement about the rules on spouses changing and raising to the earning requirements to £38,000 for the British member of the couple has been really sticking with me as possibly one of the most horrendous policies yet (obviously I did think a lot about what would happen if I had a foreign spouse and the potential complications for visas was a major factor in my not really ever taking that possibility seriously, which is wrong, society should never get to dictate that).

 

And then to put a salary cap on it, directly tying ones worth as a human to their earning potential, and given its something far beyond what many in this country will reach due to an appallingly low average salary and it just seems like the cruelty is the point (yes, it is).

 

 

I was reading the BBC article and the changes will amount of a drop of ~10,000 in net immigration against a backdrop of 600,000+ net immigration. So much pain being delivered to such a small number of people. It's ridiculous.

 

Also, it's been getting to me, IMMIGRATION IS f***ING GOOD FOR AN ECONOMY AND ESPECIALLY THE UK'S AT THIS PRESENT TIME I AM SO SICK OF OUR COUNTRY'S DISCOURSE ON THIS

 

I mean it's quite easy to see why though. Crumbling public services, expensive housing and yet we have record-breaking net immigration figures of 600k+ the last couple years. The amount of investment in public services and housing needed to sustain the high levels of net immigration we've seen over the last decade or so has been well below what was needed. It doesn't matter how good for the economy it is unless the economic benefits are felt by ordinary people. Most of which is difficult to do with the current government. Plus the government are quite happy to scapegoat immigrants for the issues which they caused (austerity being the biggest one, plus Brexit).

Edited December 7, 20231 yr by Envoirment

I was reading the BBC article and the changes will amount of a drop of ~10,000 in net immigration against a backdrop of 600,000+ net immigration. So much pain being delivered to such a small number of people. It's ridiculous.

I mean it's quite easy to see why though. Crumbling public services, expensive housing and yet we have record-breaking net immigration figures of 600k+ the last couple years. The amount of investment in public services and housing needed to sustain the high levels of net immigration we've seen over the last decade or so has been well below what was needed. It doesn't matter how good for the economy it is unless the economic benefits are felt by ordinary people. Most of which is difficult to do with the current government. Plus the government are quite happy to scapegoat immigrants for the issues which they caused (austerity being the biggest one, plus Brexit).

 

Yeah, I mean, the policies that the government have on offer for immigration are just so ineffective that it strikes me that any competent politicians would direct attention away from it. But that would have required them to have not even more embarrassingly failed on public services and house-building, and if they hadn't failed, then immigration wouldn't be so salient for many. All interconnected, humane governments that are actually focused on economic growth instead of genuflecting to racists would have invested and then the benefits would have been felt by everyone.

 

It's frustrating when the paths to greater economic stability for all are blocked by the politician and media class and instead we are treated to this monolith of Why Are The Numbers So High - instead of someone in the media asking, wouldn't numbers being higher help get us out of our current mess - not just in care but in other industries, I'm surprised I haven't heard talk about immigration used to help the construction industry. Probably because they'd be horrifically exploited and not paid enough but again, that's an investment that you'd get back more of in taxes once more houses are built.

The Media in the UK is for the most part client journalism (and that's putting it politely, a lot of the papers are Far Right Filth now) employed by and therefore biased towards the whims and wishes of the wealthiest 1% in society who can therefore increase profits and strip our countries assets as much as they like. Focus on immigration and that nonsensical Rwanda scheme is a great distraction, plus the fact so many are non white will please the racists too.

I don't know whether to be worried over the descent into far-right strongman posturing over the Rwanda policy of all things or just be relieved that it's Sunak, the man who can't seem to get half his own MPs onside with his specific brand of dogheaded international law breaking.

 

The recent tweets about blocking the courts from the PM office and Sunak's account feels like it should be moving this into 'dissolving parliament' territory.

Cameron being a lord makes me sick. He is the root cause of much of the country’s problems (along with Osbourne)

 

He should be in a prison cell, not f***ing ermine

 

 

:rolleyes: Oh don't be daft. He hasn't committed any crimes. Was a relatively good PM.

Since I'm not sure it's been posted here yet, was anyone aware that the policy to 'send refugees to Rwanda' also wasn't the full description of that policy...?

 

It's not a one way deal, it's a refugee exchange. The UK government has made the deal to PAY Rwanda to take our young refugees coming here in search of work IN EXCHANGE FOR refugees that Rwanda is struggling to house and fund; people with health difficulties and people too old to work.

 

They are keeping that bit very quiet! It's no wonder Rwanda took the deal though they must think the UK negotiators are stupid.

I'm pretty sure Starmer pulled it up in PMQs yesterday, not that it was actually addressed by Sunak at all, cos when was PMQs ever actually about questions?

 

But yeah, I've got no idea what their endgame is here - this is an utter waste of public money, the majority of whom I like to believe couldn't care less about 'small boats' when they can't afford to eat and pay their bills, it's clearly trying to be an alt-right dog whistle, but in its normal state, it's been ruled unlawful and in its current state, even the right of his party it's desperately trying to please don't like it! :lol:

 

Literally all they've got is culture war and distraction tactics, none of which are gonna stop their annihilation next year, it's just pathetic.

:rolleyes: Oh don't be daft. He hasn't committed any crimes. Was a relatively good PM.

 

Tbf for all the slick PR he barely won a GE in 6 years as PM!

The whole Rwanda policy has felt like pure satire from the beginning and can't believe it's an idea anyone has taken seriously. Hopefully the next election will finally put a proper stop to it.

Since I'm not sure it's been posted here yet, was anyone aware that the policy to 'send refugees to Rwanda' also wasn't the full description of that policy...?

 

It's not a one way deal, it's a refugee exchange. The UK government has made the deal to PAY Rwanda to take our young refugees coming here in search of work IN EXCHANGE FOR refugees that Rwanda is struggling to house and fund; people with health difficulties and people too old to work.

 

They are keeping that bit very quiet! It's no wonder Rwanda took the deal though they must think the UK negotiators are stupid.

 

It’s a pedantic point but they are asylum seekers trying to gain refugee status.

Since I'm not sure it's been posted here yet, was anyone aware that the policy to 'send refugees to Rwanda' also wasn't the full description of that policy...?

 

It's not a one way deal, it's a refugee exchange. The UK government has made the deal to PAY Rwanda to take our young refugees coming here in search of work IN EXCHANGE FOR refugees that Rwanda is struggling to house and fund; people with health difficulties and people too old to work.

 

They are keeping that bit very quiet! It's no wonder Rwanda took the deal though they must think the UK negotiators are stupid.

 

 

I just looked this up because I was like this CANNOT be right... and it IS!?!? :blink:

 

So we are paying them £240 million to take refugees (although none have actually been sent yet), in exchange for another wtf???

 

THE ACTUAL f*** IS THE POINT?!

 

Rwandan diplomats must've not believed their ears!!

:rolleyes: Oh don't be daft. He hasn't committed any crimes. Was a relatively good PM.

 

There was nothing good about Cameron or Osbourne. While neither have committed any crimes, they have caused immense division in this country through having the referendum which ultimately led to Brexit. In addition, austerity has also caused widespread massive cuts to services and led to massive rises in homelessness, poverty and inequality. We are all far worse off as a result of their feckless policies.

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Zugzwang. *.*

There was nothing good about Cameron or Osbourne. While neither have committed any crimes, they have caused immense division in this country through having the referendum which ultimately led to Brexit. In addition, austerity has also caused widespread massive cuts to services and led to massive rises in homelessness, poverty and inequality. We are all far worse off as a result of their feckless policies.

 

Austerity was the right policy at the time imo, but the Government went too far and didn't engage quick enough to spend again. Easy to say with hindsight of course. The politics are the time was pretty toxic, UKIP were winning the popular vote and the Tories were in civil war themselves with the Right of the Party (who were far, far less influential than they currently are) gaining tract. Cameron tried to double bluff both the EU at the time and the Brexit vote, I truly think he thought he could renegotiate our deal with the EU. There were lots of naive people to how data was being exploited and the power of misinformation.

Nope. Austerity was wrong, wrong, wrong. Gordon Brown's polciies were adopted the sorld over and THEY. WORKED. The country was rdcovering ... before evil Tories and evil austerity. It's not a household budget.