I am quite confident it will make it to the B-list. But probably not the A-list. I think it'll get similar treatment to 'Made You Look' did (C-C-B-B-B-B), which they probably didn't want to playlist either.

I'm trying to think of other examples of an artist going that long in between playlist support (with a solo lead single rather than a feature or sample) but I'm drawing a blank currently!

 

Elton John perhaps? What was the last track he had on the playlist before Cold Heart in 2021? 'Are You Ready' in 2003 as a lead artist and 2Pac's 'Ghetto Gospal' in 2005 as a featured artist?

Can we all stop accusing R1 of being ageist now?

 

Look what it took for them to playlist her though :lol:

I am quite confident it will make it to the B-list. But probably not the A-list. I think it'll get similar treatment to 'Made You Look' did (C-C-B-B-B-B), which they probably didn't want to playlist either.

I think so too. The difference with Meghan and Kylie (both clearly embraced by TikTokers) is that Padam Padam really doesn't sound a million miles off the music Dua (probably others) would release. If they base their playlist off "musical merit", the artist behind it shouldn't be a factor...

 

Made You Look (whilst I like it) is not really like anything Radio 1 playlist, and is exactly what they would place on R2 (and it was also on there first!). I can see that they will playlist what is proving to be popular to a degree, but I do also think there's a level of "this artist is behind their use by date" (and of all media in the UK, you'd expect the BBC to be the ones who would take the risk of hearing a song by a legacy act and thinking "THIS. THIS IS WHAT 20 SOMETHINGS ARE LISTENING TO!", rather than dropping them as soon as they're deemed to old or irrelevant [Kylie was somehow completely irrelevant to their audience all of a sudden after Get Outta My Way... Really? (I'm sure R1 demographic aged Dua/Olly Alexander wouldn't have wanted to collab with her on new songs if she wasn't relevant to them...)]

 

Anyway... I'll shhh for now! I'm still hoping to be proved wrong!

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I really doubt the song would have done much better with immediate Radio 1 playlisting. In fact I'd be tempted to say if anything Radio 1 snubbing it might have helped it a bit by creating a media narrative / making the song's chart success something of an underdog story. Although in all I'd say it most likely just won't have moved the needle much either way, Radio 1's influence over the charts is increasingly nonexistent the deeper we go into the streaming era.

 

The way I see it is they initially assumed the song wouldn't appeal to their audience but they've now seen enough evidence of that being wrong (be it from social media pressure or just its ongoing streaming success) and responded accordingly. Seems like doing their job correctly to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe they should have done it a week or two earlier but I don't think it's been an egregiously long time. Perhaps the Party Anthems spot plays were a bit of 'market research' in those couple of weeks. (Also can we at least give it a few weeks to see how it progresses before immediately shifting the goalpost to 'they'll only C-List it!', coming from the same person who very confidently asserted a couple of weeks ago that 'Popular' was being left to Radio 2 and is still yet to acknowledge being wrong about that... :lol:)

I really doubt the song would have done much better with immediate Radio 1 playlisting. In fact I'd be tempted to say if anything Radio 1 snubbing it might have helped it a bit by creating a media narrative / making the song's chart success something of an underdog story. Although in all I'd say it most likely just won't have moved the needle much either way, Radio 1's influence over the charts is increasingly nonexistent the deeper we go into the streaming era.

 

The way I see it is they initially assumed the song wouldn't appeal to their audience but they've now seen enough evidence of that being wrong (be it from social media pressure or just its ongoing streaming success) and responded accordingly. Seems like doing their job correctly to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe they should have done it a week or two earlier but I don't think it's been an egregiously long time. (Also can we at least give it a few weeks to see how it progresses before immediately shifting the goalpost to 'they'll only C-List it!', coming from the same person who very confidently asserted a couple of weeks ago that 'Popular' was being left to Radio 2 and is still yet to acknowledge being wrong about that... :lol:)

I don't think it's necessarily about chart influence. It's more about the perception that artists are shafted to Radio 2, even if they are continuing to release music that would be very relevant to younger audiences if they were exposed to it...

 

It's not only a Radio 1 issue. Streaming services and other radio stations are the same. I'm mostly saying that age feels like the first factor, when the BBC in particular should maybe consider the song first! (even if it takes getting a younger listening group/employees to blind listen the new releases sent to radio each week to determine that)

I was replying to Simon's post, sorry if that wasn't clear.

I was replying to Simon's post, sorry if that wasn't clear.

That's fair! I'm going on a random "I have the answer to the problem" rampage 😂

 

(and that doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem, or that I have the right answer... I'm just fixated on it clearly haha)

I mean, Radio 1 clearly have an issue with older female pop artists, they literally admitted it last week in their statement which said they won't add her because she doesn't fit with their younger target audience, before doing a 180 less than a week later.

 

But I do agree, that people being like "THIS TOOK YOU SO LONG", are being a bit dramatic, they're playlisting it the week after it went top 10, which seems like business as usual for them as they wait even longer with some artists.

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Now watch Padam Padam get stuck on the c-list for three weeks and then get dropped :P

 

It’s more she’s had from R1 in 13 years so I’ll take that :lol:

Elton John perhaps? What was the last track he had on the playlist before Cold Heart in 2021? 'Are You Ready' in 2003 as a lead artist and 2Pac's 'Ghetto Gospal' in 2005 as a featured artist?

That's not really a fair comparison though as 'Cold Heart' was a rehashed old song rather than a new song and they wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole had Dua not been on it.

I really doubt the song would have done much better with immediate Radio 1 playlisting. In fact I'd be tempted to say if anything Radio 1 snubbing it might have helped it a bit by creating a media narrative / making the song's chart success something of an underdog story. Although in all I'd say it most likely just won't have moved the needle much either way, Radio 1's influence over the charts is increasingly nonexistent the deeper we go into the streaming era.

 

The way I see it is they initially assumed the song wouldn't appeal to their audience but they've now seen enough evidence of that being wrong (be it from social media pressure or just its ongoing streaming success) and responded accordingly. Seems like doing their job correctly to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe they should have done it a week or two earlier but I don't think it's been an egregiously long time. Perhaps the Party Anthems spot plays were a bit of 'market research' in those couple of weeks. (Also can we at least give it a few weeks to see how it progresses before immediately shifting the goalpost to 'they'll only C-List it!', coming from the same person who very confidently asserted a couple of weeks ago that 'Popular' was being left to Radio 2 and is still yet to acknowledge being wrong about that... :lol:)

 

Why are you so offended by it? This is clearly unprecedented for them, god forbid I call out their prejudice.

Calling out prejudice based on things that have actually happened is one thing. You've repeatedly 'called out' Radio 1 for completely hypothetical predictions and then not acknowledged when those turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't know what I'm allegedly offended by so can't answer that soz

I don't know what I'm allegedly offended by so can't answer that soz

Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused about what you were allegedly offended by based on your post!

Although it's nothing more than anyone else has said...

 

If Padam Padam had done what everyone expected and spent a week at No.54 and never... ever... been played on Radio 1, no-one would have batted an eyelid.

 

So the song going Top 30, Top 20, Top 10, doing well on streaming, all the memes, Tik-Toks and all round being massive for a Kylie song in 2023 have been a fantastic bonus. Being playlisted on Radio 1 is another plus, even if it does end up being 3 weeks on the C-List.

 

If Radio 1 had played Padam on the First Look show when it climbed to No.6, I'm not sure how much we would have been talking about the "age snub". They might have just added it this week after it went Top 10 and we would have all been very excited and pleased with it.

 

Rather than complain... just enjoy it.

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Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused about what you were allegedly offended by based on your post!

 

Well the fact he’s asked me to apologise to Radio 1 about 3 times now and now wants me to “acknowledge I was wrong”, it’s coming across as a bit of an obsession!

I really doubt the song would have done much better with immediate Radio 1 playlisting. In fact I'd be tempted to say if anything Radio 1 snubbing it might have helped it a bit by creating a media narrative / making the song's chart success something of an underdog story. Although in all I'd say it most likely just won't have moved the needle much either way, Radio 1's influence over the charts is increasingly nonexistent the deeper we go into the streaming era.

 

The way I see it is they initially assumed the song wouldn't appeal to their audience but they've now seen enough evidence of that being wrong (be it from social media pressure or just its ongoing streaming success) and responded accordingly. Seems like doing their job correctly to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe they should have done it a week or two earlier but I don't think it's been an egregiously long time. Perhaps the Party Anthems spot plays were a bit of 'market research' in those couple of weeks. (Also can we at least give it a few weeks to see how it progresses before immediately shifting the goalpost to 'they'll only C-List it!', coming from the same person who very confidently asserted a couple of weeks ago that 'Popular' was being left to Radio 2 and is still yet to acknowledge being wrong about that... :lol:)

 

Spot on! And no, you don’t seem offended at all.

 

There may be a wee bit of ‘prejudice’ involved - but it is more a case of Radio One pre-judging their audience, rather than being prejudiced directly towards an artist. Or maybe it is better described by saying they didn’t predict (and neither did we) how well Padam Padam would take off.

 

And good news – my phone now recognises when I am dictating Padam Padam. Woohoo!

Well the fact he’s asked me to apologise to Radio 1 about 3 times now and now wants me to “acknowledge I was wrong”, it’s coming across as a bit of an obsession!

 

Well obsessed is closer than offended, I'll give you that x

 

*2 times. It was a tongue in cheek comment because you posted so many times with varying levels of conspiracy about how Radio 1 were 'obviously' not going to support 'Popular'. I repeated it, still tongue in cheek, because you directly replied to me the first time saying 'maybe when they add Padam Padam', which they immediately did.

 

I just find it ~interesting~ that after posting so many times about 'Popular' before R1 playlisted it you've been conspicuously silent about it ever since they did, even in reply to my post directly calling you out about it - I'd have thought you'd be happy to be wrong about that? (And you were objectively wrong so don't give me those inverted commas x)

 

I'll make this my last post on the topic dw

On a separate note, are R1 still exclusively playing the solo version of 'Karma', as per the website listing?

It’s true this thread proves it, those that said R1 would never playlist Padam have moved the goal posts and complain they might not move it up the playlist. 🙄

 

R1 can’t win sometimes. Yes they play artists less the further into their career they get that was always the mantra of the station. They literally had a mantra between songs that said ‘In New Music We Trust’ up to a few years ago. I don’t see the issue!