May 12, 20241 yr I thought Olly did a pretty decent job vocally, for somebody whose televised live performances have historically tended to be on the shaky side! I really like the song, I feel like the overall result could've been worse but that 0 in the televote was brutal and I don't think quite deserved - although I can understand how it may not have stood out in a crowded field.
May 12, 20241 yr Just got to the bit of the final where Olly performed Totally undeserving of 0 points in the televote. I don’t buy the whole thing about a song not standing out getting nothing from the public. There were a few this year and yet Olly was the only one to get nothing I do think UK are stuck in a trap of sending an amazing song and get top 5 in the public vote (never winning it) or send a less than amazing song and get nothing. There seems to be no in between
May 12, 20241 yr Susan Boyle with an original song could be a shout. She has the vocal chops and big name recognition.
May 12, 20241 yr Susan Boyle, Burke, x factor all seem a bit past the sell by date. Can't see there being much enthusiasm for those types. Not an easy choice as most top names wouldn't touch it
May 12, 20241 yr We don’t need any sort of washed up name, look how well it’s gone for us every time we’ve tried it. There are plenty of talented artists who would do it to build a profile for themselves who aren’t household names. Nemo and Baby Lasagna were not household names either. BBC needs to do a song submission process I think and go from there. I don’t really think the artist first, song second approach works very often.
May 12, 20241 yr A talent who has an artistic vision and an interesting song would work wonders. But if the BBC insist on handicapping themselves by only having songs in a narrow range of genres then they're much less likely to stumble on something standout.
May 12, 20241 yr We don’t need any sort of washed up name, look how well it’s gone for us every time we’ve tried it. Katrina & The Waves say hi x
May 12, 20241 yr The only name I've seen so far that I think could work well (with the right song, though her last album was really bland) would be Alexandra Burke. She has a phenomenal voice, and can perform. But as much as I love her, I think sending someone like Rina (or someone else current/upcoming) would be an excellent bet. The song HAS to be instant though. Not a mid-tempo grower! Can't recall many saying Dizzy was great on first listen...
May 12, 20241 yr The zero votes was utterly brutal, it did not deserve that all. I said it wasn't the strongest performance of the night but it wasn't the worst either. The song itself is pretty good and the staging was great in my opinion. At least he took it in good humour bless him.
May 12, 20241 yr The zero votes was utterly brutal, it did not deserve that all. I said it wasn't the strongest performance of the night but it wasn't the worst either. The song itself is pretty good and the staging was great in my opinion. At least he took it in good humour bless him. All this - I hope it doesn’t damage his career too much and he can build from this, disappointed ‘Dizzy’ hasn’t appeared in the first look chart, was hoping at the least it would be a decent sized hit for him.
May 12, 20241 yr Katrina & The Waves say hi x A long time ago, was it? I jest, you make a good point, I guess anything is possible with the right song and - crucially - that one was selected by the public. Katrina also was, and still is, a passionate and wonderful vocalist. Her performance at Eurovision was emphatic and sold a good song with massive gusto, which is more than the likes of Blue, Engelbert and Bonnie managed. But the famous names we've picked since Katrina haven't done much, unless you include Andrew Lloyd Webber whose presence as a songwriter and on the piano I guess helped us get quite a lot of jury points in 2009. ----- I really don't think Olly deserved zero at all btw. It wasn't my favourite but it was just in my top 10 actually, so to not appear in ANY nation's top ten is a surprise. Although I always think it will be an uphill struggle for the UK to score anything above 20 points on the televote unless we have a really fantastic track that connects incredibly well, for some reasons sadly beyond our control (lack of neighbours and diaspora, and of course some people clearly vote politically) and some within our control (radio pop barely ever gets a good return - we got lucky with Sam as he oozed star quality and vocal power). But I don't think being just good cuts it for countries like the UK, Spain, Germany, San Marino, Malta, Australia and several others, we all seem to have to be amazing in terms of performer/song/staging to really get anywhere. One other thing is that, for whatever reason, the performances that look more like music videos than stage performances generally seem to underwhelm the public - Sweden 2018, UK and Sweden this year. Edited May 12, 20241 yr by gooddelta
May 12, 20241 yr Remember, Loreen's staging, more like a video, gotncriticism last year from fams too
May 12, 20241 yr https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/united-kingdom From 2003 onwards the game changed
May 12, 20241 yr A long time ago, was it? I jest, you make a good point, I guess anything is possible with the right song and - crucially - that one was selected by the public. Katrina also was, and still is, a passionate and wonderful vocalist. Her performance at Eurovision was emphatic and sold a good song with massive gusto, which is more than the likes of Blue, Engelbert and Bonnie managed. But the famous names we've picked since Katrina haven't done much, unless you include Andrew Lloyd Webber whose presence as a songwriter and on the piano I guess helped us get quite a lot of jury points in 2009. ----- I really don't think Olly deserved zero at all btw. It wasn't my favourite but it was just in my top 10 actually, so to not appear in ANY nation's top ten is a surprise. Although I always think it will be an uphill struggle for the UK to score anything above 20 points on the televote unless we have a really fantastic track that connects incredibly well, for some reasons sadly beyond our control (lack of neighbours and diaspora, and of course some people clearly vote politically) and some within our control (radio pop barely ever gets a good return - we got lucky with Sam as he oozed star quality and vocal power). But I don't think being just good cuts it for countries like the UK, Spain, Germany, San Marino, Malta, Australia and several others, we all seem to have to be amazing in terms of performer/song/staging to really get anywhere. One other thing is that, for whatever reason, the performances that look more like music videos than stage performances generally seem to underwhelm the public - Sweden 2018, UK and Sweden this year. I thought Blue's performance was solid on the night, and they did quite well only just missing a top 10 placement tbf.
May 12, 20241 yr Tbf Olly's (Y&Y) last album wasn't particularly well reviewed either. He is riding a lot on the success of King and the first album and a career resurgence from Its a Sin which itself is now 3 years ago.
May 13, 20241 yr I thought Blue's performance was solid on the night, and they did quite well only just missing a top 10 placement tbf. Blue I think was the best out of the “had their day” artists. They had quite a lot of hype on the lead up to contest as well. The problem was the song. ‘I Can’ was just a bit naff. They needed something the jury’s would’ve liked because they came 5th in the televote probably on name alone.
May 13, 20241 yr Yeah I agree Blue did ok. The staging could have been better and a lot of pressure was placed on Lee's voice (apparently he was off in the jury final which is why they marked the entry down, but I have no hard evidence of that - it just doesn't feel like a massively jury friendly song in the first place - imagine if they'd turned up with something like Breathe Easy). I Can was actually a reasonable hit in Europe too, going top 10 in Germany, Switzerland and Austria - it always reminded me of Written In The Stars from the year before. But Blue haven't had it on their setlists for a long time, so I doubt it's recalled as a glowing moment for them, even though actually top five on the televote was really impressive because 2011 was at least seven years since Blue's heyday.
May 13, 20241 yr Some of these comments are killing me: 'Olly did a decent job vocally' or 'It was a great song' - neither are true. It was the worst vocal of the night. This lame argument that the UK are somehow building towards something is ridic and laughable. Eurovision is boom or bust. You can have a country who are in the top 3 one year, and if they get it wrong the next, they can be in the bottom 5. Send a lame act with a poor vocal and generic song, with self-indulgent staging and your song will not land, nor resonate, and will get ZERO points from the public. It's not rocket science. Olly was awful. We need a 'UK decides' public vote - after all, we can't be any worse than what they've come up with.
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