6 hours ago, Silas said:

Imagine thinking so much of yourself that you think the entire country and government is just dying to know that you love a microwave spag Bol from Tesco for yer tea

Everyone harping on about not wanted to be tracked by the government has forgotten one crucial thing, they’re f***ing boring. Ain’t no one interested in what you are doing. It’s a f***ing Id card, not a gps tracking chip. It’s to prove your right to work, identity and/or age and and when required under existing law. Not everyone can drive or has a passport, and the Tory c**ts made it illegal to vote without id so the smart plan is to give everyone something that will allow all to participate in democracy.

I have no objection to anyone who doesn't have a passport or driving licence having to have an ID card at all. That way everyone is happy, and people have a choice.

Exactly and the same people would be up in arms if the government that’s so evil stopped giving them their benefits or free health care!

“I know my wrights mate”

Pity you don’t know your responsibilities as well though MATE!

Edited September 30Sep 30 by Steve201

Nigel Farage's security has been cut, Reform UK claims - BBC News https://share.google/YLCCLb7t8HXlbUPPS

You can see how this plays out. Starmer plays a blinder by attacking Farage personally and calling his policies racist (and by extension the voters who may support the policies) aided and abetted by David Lammy (who honestly shouldn't be let near the media) and suddenly Farage is the victim. All we need now is an reform MP to get attacked or worse and Starmer comes off looking very bad indeed not to mention if its near to the election then you might as well put a bow around the victory for reform.

It's almost like Farage lays the traps and Starmer falls into them.

One PR disaster after another.

It would be a fun irony for something to actually happen to Farage though in the vein of talk shit get hit.

It is refreshing though to see Labour abandon courting the racist vote and attacking them instead. It’s taken just a little too long for that to happen.

26 minutes ago, J00prstar said:

It would be a fun irony for something to actually happen to Farage though in the vein of talk shit get hit.

For about 5 minutes until it escalates on both sides....

7 minutes ago, Gezza said:

For about 5 minutes until it escalates on both sides....

Guess it just feels like its heading that way anyway. I fail to see anything positive whatsoever that someone like that has accomplished with their life. I won't shed a tear when he goes.

Put it this way, I think fascists should be afraid and that if people like Farage had known as young men that consequences would come from poking the bear we'd be in a much better place as a society. Instead he and those like him have been sheltered in rich-boy enclaves cosplaying at being real people and RPGing with society seemingly without any conception that their jolly hypotheticals actually go on to have meaningful negative - and it is always negative! - impacts on REAL PEOPLE's lives. It is all a game to him and people like him.

If I was in charge of this society people who advocated certain things would be made to live under it at the bottom rung until they understood what it actually meant to have someone enforcing consequences on you from on high that they themselves would be fully insulated from.

Sadly at this point someone like that is too far gone to be reasoned with. The allure of addictive total power, just for the cost of putting out of your mind the impact on your fellow man, is too great.

22 minutes ago, T Boy said:

It is refreshing though to see Labour abandon courting the racist vote and attacking them instead. It’s taken just a little too long for that to happen.

I genuinely don't think the majority of reform voters are racist though. I know people who voted for them last year and more people now who would, I'd say that whilst it's tempting to put them in a box and label them as such they are, by and large, people who are fed up with mainstream politics and the failings of both parties over the last 20 years or so. After all if that's true then 30 odd % of the voting population are racist by extension of we believe the polls.

Farage, whatever else you can say about him, is a clever politician and much more adept with the media, he continues to make the political weather in the face of a government with a whopping majority, and the labour party just gave him a massive boost in publicity.

I suppose all I'm saying is that I think the labour party's approach to this over the last few months had been wrong and won't convert anyone who was already a reform support but it may polarise people who were undecided, that's not just on the racist point but also on things like tax hikes and ID cards.

10 minutes ago, J00prstar said:

Put it this way, I think fascists should be afraid and that if people like Farage had known as young men that consequences would come from poking the bear we'd be in a much better place as a society. Instead he and those like him have been sheltered in rich-boy enclaves cosplaying at being real people and RPGing with society seemingly without any conception that their jolly hypotheticals actually go on to have meaningful negative - and it is always negative! - impacts on REAL PEOPLE's lives. It is all a game to him and people like him.

If I was in charge of this society people who advocated certain things would be made to live under it at the bottom rung until they understood what it actually meant to have someone enforcing consequences on you from on high that they themselves would be fully insulated from.

Sadly at this point someone like that is too far gone to be reasoned with. The allure of addictive total power, just for the cost of putting out of your mind the impact on your fellow man, is too great.

The rise of Farage is entirely down to the failure of mainstream politicians, goes back to the idea of career politicians and that detachment from real life for most of them. It creates the space for the Farage's and Trump's of the world

Anyway that was my annual foray into the politics forum, back to the charts 😀

I wouldn’t worry about Farage, it’s clear his deal with the devil is not yet concluded and thus we are set to suffer from his evil for plenty of years to come

God/Mother Nature/fate has already tried multiple times to spare us from this insufferable c**t but no he’s survived a f***ing plane crash and a wheel falling off his car at 70mph.

You could try and Charlie Kirk him but the bullet would no doubt do a cartoon style U-turn midair

1 hour ago, Gezza said:

I genuinely don't think the majority of reform voters are racist though. I know people who voted for them last year and more people now who would, I'd say that whilst it's tempting to put them in a box and label them as such they are, by and large, people who are fed up with mainstream politics and the failings of both parties over the last 20 years or so. After all if that's true then 30 odd % of the voting population are racist by extension of we believe the polls.

Farage, whatever else you can say about him, is a clever politician and much more adept with the media, he continues to make the political weather in the face of a government with a whopping majority, and the labour party just gave him a massive boost in publicity.

I suppose all I'm saying is that I think the labour party's approach to this over the last few months had been wrong and won't convert anyone who was already a reform support but it may polarise people who were undecided, that's not just on the racist point but also on things like tax hikes and ID cards.

And once again I must disagree. Everyone knows what Reform is about. Everyone knows they’re the racist party. If you find that your views align with theirs then the chances are you’re actually more racist than you think. It’s kind of annoying that being called racist seems like more of a crime than actually being racist these days.

And of course people feel let down by the main parties. But Reform aren’t the only other option. The Lib Dem’s have got the next largest number of MPs in Parliament, the Greens are doing a great job building themselves up. There are other options. There isn’t the desperate need to flock to a known racist party. I can’t buy that excuse.

Quite a relevant recent survey by YouGov:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53096-do-britons-think-reform-uk-are-racist

And what we think Keir Starmer thinks of them:

Now yes, obviously, Reform are racist or at least have some racist elements, they have pretty much all that matters of the 10-15% vote that has always voted UKIP, or flirted with the idea of the BNP in their heyday, and while certainly not every Reform voter is what we would consider a racist, the remainder are more often than not miscellaneous disaffected voters or former Tories seeing which way the wind is blowing, they don't really see a problem with parts of their voting coalition being associated with elements like that Tommy Robinson rally. Which is something that would put me off any party. And of course, always the fault if any for the racism lies with the politicians and influencing forces (media, demagogues) who encourage this.

What should Labour do about that? Well, if you read that article, 47% of Britons consider the Reform party to be 'generally racist'. That's 50% more voters than the oh-so-important average lead in the polls we're told should be dictating policy and our national conversation. There's a lot more people appalled by the racism shown by Reform in their policies, like that horrendous ILR abolishment, and Reform-adjacent figures than there are supporters.

Labour have essentially two choices here. They can do as they have been, blithely aping Reform in a poor manner because of said national conversation hijack and pleasing no one, which is part of what has led Keir Starmer to that unwanted accolade of 'most unpopular prime minister ever', he's alienated most of his base by his limp response and basically turned a good part of it (the left) into not his base AND his political opposites still hate him. And also, as the second part of that poll shows, most people across the spectrum think he has a low opinion of Reform anyway.

The other choice is take the fight to Reform. It's stupid it's taken the alleged focus-grouping Starmerism THIS long to realise his coalition of voters wants him to denounce Reform and by that we mean reject their ideas, but that's far more likely to lead him to a winning coalition in the future.

5 hours ago, Silas said:

I wouldn’t worry about Farage, it’s clear his deal with the devil is not yet concluded and thus we are set to suffer from his evil for plenty of years to come

God/Mother Nature/fate has already tried multiple times to spare us from this insufferable c**t but no he’s survived a f***ing plane crash and a wheel falling off his car at 70mph.

You could try and Charlie Kirk him but the bullet would no doubt do a cartoon style U-turn midair

The fags will do him in in the longer run!

5 hours ago, Gezza said:

The rise of Farage is entirely down to the failure of mainstream politicians, goes back to the idea of career politicians and that detachment from real life for most of them. It creates the space for the Farage's and Trump's of the world

That and the failure of democracy in Britain in terms of the FPTP electoral system meaning the extremes or radical positions are opposed ubtil they build up a head of steam

Great to see the Renters Rights bill made law today.

Boo at landlords most likely looking for loopholes already.

On 27/10/2025 at 23:08, Steve201 said:

Great to see the Renters Rights bill made law today.

Boo at landlords most likely looking for loopholes already.

Quite a big piece of legislation. It would be a pity therefore if it turns out that a key member of Labour, for example one who is involved in Treasury functions, was to involve oneself in a controversy surrounding renting out a property, for example by doing so illegally. That would be highly embarrassing for the party.

On an unrelated note:

BBC News

Starmer rules out investigation after Reeves admits renta...

The PM says an investigation is not "necessary" as the chancellor admits "error" when renting out home.

If it gets more people to notice that the Renters' Rights Bill has gone through (a good news story that should be getting far more coverage by the media), good?

Little incredulous at this being a story, as much as Reeves is far from ideal as a Chancellor. Don't really care if she goes as it could only help the government long term (get them out of their fiscal rule straitjacket, refresh their image, make attacks on her go to waste), but maybe best not right before a Budget, eh?

Surely this is not something journalists have only just found out about, especially given the Rayner debacle recently, they absolutely searched for similar potential stories for other members of the cabinet at that time and it sells most clicks to send out smears about Reeves as the Budget looms large - never mind if they can get Starmer to fire her for it, to the detriment of government stability. Rayner's error seemed worse than this (you could argue there was potential benefit there, what benefit does Reeves gain from this?) and I don't think she should have gone for that either.

I tend to be very consequentialist about this and this is clearly not corruption endemic. Little funny that the governing ministers can't keep track of their regulations but the axiom that 'regulations are good to prevent abuses' holds out above and beyond what anyone personally does.