Thought to include the independent Gaza MPs.

Sultana and Corbyn plan to be party co-leaders.

Sultana's Labour-quitting manifesto:

Personally I'm in two minds on it. Anyway thought you all would probably have thoughts.

Zarah Sultana is probably one of the best MPs in Parliament right now, young, energetic and on the right side of pretty much everything, so I definitely want to see her have a long career in politics that isn't dependent on the flaws in the Labour Party.

I think it's probably a good thing to get this going, there is of course a danger that they can't take any of the territory in political space between the Greens and Labour, and so the initial reaction is 'oh no this will split the left' (and I see a lot of mocking online, encouraged by the Spectator's journalists chortling from their summer retreats). A party the left are energetic for and not just lethargic about like Starmer's Labour is needed.

Really the Green Party isn't a sufficient home for the left long-term and Labour's direction is not encouraging for popular transformative politics. If the political theory of 'let's keep trying new things' advocated by Reform is correct, after their failure, this, with a few more popular left figures attached to it, could have potential. Reform's criticism is that neoliberalism keeps failing when they are just a more extreme and stupid version of neoliberalism and trickle-down, this (and the Greens) are the only really new thing out there.

also electorally I think there are few seats where this party will at the moment gain enough votes to cause a seat that Labour would have held otherwise to lose to Reform or the Tories so I think that's overstated right now.

Ok so out of the intro post, I'm rolling my eyes, especially given one of the FIRST platform positions she gives is being pro more handouts for pensioners.

Plot twist: the pressure gets too much for Rachel Reeves, she quits as chancellor and joins them.

OOOOH MY JEREMY CORBYNNNN!!!!!!!

GREATEST POLITICIAN SINCE ATTLEE, YOU HAVE MY VOTE... IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN WIN A SEAT IN MY AREA!!!

Whether this new party is a success remains to be seen but I admire the fact they are trying.

We do need, as said above, a "progressive" party that people will actually be excited about. I'm not getting that from Labour (and, frankly, since election night last year, I haven't).

9 hours ago, Jessie Where said:

Plot twist: the pressure gets too much for Rachel Reeves, she quits as chancellor and joins them.

I’d say there’s more chance of Rachel joining the Liberals tbf!

rachel from labour to tory pipeline omg

Will be interesting to see what this does. Most likely the party will take some of the green & labour's vote.

If it establishes itself well, I could see the next election being very interesting. We could see neither labour or the conservatives as the top parties. Or 5-6 parties all around the same vote share (10-20%) - Labour, Conservatives, Reform, Lib Dems, New JC party + possibly green party.

Really wish we had a proportional representation system.

10 minutes ago, Envoirment said:

Will be interesting to see what this does. Most likely the party will take some of the green & labour's vote.

If it establishes itself well, I could see the next election being very interesting. We could see neither labour or the conservatives as the top parties. Or 5-6 parties all around the same vote share (10-20%) - Labour, Conservatives, Reform, Lib Dems, New JC party + possibly green party.

Really wish we had a proportional representation system.

We need ranked choice PR like now. I think maybe alternative vote like in Scotland?? The two party, FPTP system is egregiously undemocratic and ridiculously arxhaic and open to abuse, plus pushes everyone to the extreme neolib centre. If thid gets established, we'd have one left wing psrty, one faux left party (green), two right wing parties, Reform and Tories, and two neolib, Ñabour and Lib Dems. It'd be far more representative of European politics.

7 minutes ago, Big Fat Sue said:

We need ranked choice PR like now. I think maybe alternative vote like in Scotland?? The two party, FPTP system is egregiously undemocratic and ridiculously arxhaic and open to abuse, plus pushes everyone to the extreme neolib centre. If thid gets established, we'd have one left wing psrty, one faux left party (green), two right wing parties, Reform and Tories, and two neolib, Ñabour and Lib Dems. It'd be far more representative of European politics.

Scotland only uses the Alternative Vote for byelections when there is only one seat being contested. Otherwise, they use the Single Transferable Vote which has always been my preferred voting system. They are both preferential systems but STV is proportional, AV isn't.

3 hours ago, Envoirment said:

Will be interesting to see what this does. Most likely the party will take some of the green & labour's vote.

If it establishes itself well, I could see the next election being very interesting. We could see neither labour or the conservatives as the top parties. Or 5-6 parties all around the same vote share (10-20%) - Labour, Conservatives, Reform, Lib Dems, New JC party + possibly green party.

Really wish we had a proportional representation system.

There’s about zero chance of that happening imo.