7 minutes ago, Mangø said:

This is what I was thinking. He goes in to the room to find a letter for him on the chair, smiles to himself because he thinks he's getting recruited and then... the look on his face when he reads his murder letter. I'd feel bad for him but at the same time I'd love to see his reaction!

It’s not a want it’s a need

Rachel is obviously playing a v good game but there's just something I personally find so cold about her and....ultimately just quite boring?? She doesn't have the personality or rootability other traitors like Minah, Linda, Amanda had imo

Yeah agreed the Traitors would be daft not to murder Jesse. At this point it's the only way Stephen can win imo.

James is getting the kind of edit that makes me think he goes to the final, but probably in a tragic Alexander kind of way. The Faithful seem completely useless though and this season seem way too attached to friendships. Roxy has to be up there with one of the worst players ever. You have too many followers and weak Faithfuls at this stage who are likely playing their own game to get as close as possible. I'm not sure at this stage someone makes an obvious move like James or Sam did. The fact none of them considered the Traitors didn't just guess either is laughable. Or consider that if tbere was a Traitor in that group, they'd have basically owned up to the fact there was a Traitor there.

Rachel has such a hold on the group, but I still can't see her keeping Stephen. Surely they must know at this point, the group will know there is at least one Traitor remaining. At some point they're going to have to go against each other.

Finally caught up and it must be me that found Harriet’s whole thing extremely cringy and really not that smart at all!!! She comes in waffling saying “I’m onto you” with a load of ‘evidence’ then essentially just bows out with some martyr move to support a lot of waffly thinking - truly bizarre! Camp to see

someone kamikaze but she may not be

aware the public are having a joke at her expense with her isms 😅

9 hours ago, conorw said:

. Roxy is getting better after finding her extremely annoying at the start.

I'm the opposite, I liked her to start with. I find her pretty unwatchable now.

26 minutes ago, ✖ leww ✖ said:

Finally caught up and it must be me that found Harriet’s whole thing extremely cringy and really not that smart at all!!! She comes in waffling saying “I’m onto you” with a load of ‘evidence’ then essentially just bows out with some martyr move to support a lot of waffly thinking - truly bizarre! Camp to see

someone kamikaze but she may not be

aware the public are having a joke at her expense with her isms 😅

The church moment for Harriet was amazing television. But she blew it by taking that random energy to breakfast and alienating everyone from her. I think she just couldn’t really handle the pressure of speaking to the traitors. Everyone would have wanted to know what happened and the she just went full pelt.

But why didn’t she bring up Rachel v Fiona? That was the most compelling part of her suspicions.

Not Rachel saying she was going to throw a theory out there and get my hyped up for more drama only for her to meekly approach Faraaz and jokingly ask him if he’s killing off the oldies.

I am begging him, Jade and Jack to add something to the show.

I’m sad that Sam left as I thought he was quite an interesting ‘likeable villain’ type character.

38 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

I am begging him, Jade and Jack to add something to the show.

I’m sad that Sam left as I thought he was quite an interesting ‘likeable villain’ type character.

Jack in particular has literally bought nothing to the missions or round tables. In fact the most interesting thing he's done is get milked by Faraaz.

At least Jade has had a slight storyline with Amanda and being under constant heat.

But agreed all 3 need to go something - they're sleepwalking to a potential win by doing nothing other than following the crowd.

22 minutes ago, ElectroBoy said:

Jack in particular has literally bought nothing to the missions or round tables. In fact the most interesting thing he's done is get milked by Faraaz.

At least Jade has had a slight storyline with Amanda and being under constant heat.

But agreed all 3 need to go something - they're sleepwalking to a potential win by doing nothing other than following the crowd.

It's the pitfall of the show that you end up left with blandies. But having watched a lot of how reality TV is produced and put together, sometimes I think it is intentional as well. You need to give contestants storylines and impact for when they are murdered or banished, throughout the episodes you can kind of get a hint of flavour with such a huge cast. If anyone has watched 'Squid Games: The Challenge' - I am fairly sure the same production company run both shows. In both cases, the winner barely even appears much in the edit until 60% of the way through the show.

A big issue this year is I think a lot of the Faithful actually like Stephen. I don't think they could even question that he could be a traitor at this moment, as they don't want him to be. It's why you have to say it's good gameplay from The Traitors - I don't think they have been particularly brilliant, but when the Faithful have messed up they've covered their tracks.

And it's important to remember some key people didn't really shine until the very end form last series - Charlotte and Francesca being the main ones from last series

16 minutes ago, Jack said:

And it's important to remember some key people didn't really shine until the very end form last series - Charlotte and Francesca being the main ones from last series

Yeah that is true!

I guess this series more than ever it feels like if you speak out, or are vocal then you immediately get banished. Most of the other series didn't necessarily follow that pattern. But yeah I guess there are usually a lot of quieter players and then they come into their own as the numbers drop.

I think based on not much I can see that being Matthew and Ellie this series. At a push, maybe Jade too.

OMG Charlotte was an icon 🥰

19 minutes ago, ✖ leww ✖ said:

OMG Charlotte was an icon 🥰

No 💜

23 minutes ago, Jack said:

No 💜

OMG are you talking about the fake welsh one and not Conor Maynard Charlotte??? Cos if so, terrible take xxx

15 minutes ago, ✖ leww ✖ said:

OMG are you talking about the fake welsh one and not Conor Maynard Charlotte??? Cos if so, terrible take xxx

Yeah the fake Welsh one, I found her so unlikeable sorry 😭 She did Francesca dirty....which is the game but still.

The 7 day/ 28 days ratings for this series are going to be crazy!

Edited January 16Jan 16 by ElectroBoy

Does anyone else think it may change the gameplay a bit if they just started off the game with 5 or 6 Traitors and there were no recruitments?

It would mean the show would almost guarantee to last the minimum length of episodes for BBC and also would mean half the contestants aren't holding back and afraid to vote out Traitors 'too early' incase there's recruits and they have to start over.

Starting with just 3 and having multiple recruits is a real flaw in the game and so unfair to the Faithful. It makes banishing Traitors pointless for the majority of the game.

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20 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Does anyone else think it may change the gameplay a bit if they just started off the game with 5 or 6 Traitors and there were no recruitments?

It would mean the show would almost guarantee to last the minimum length of episodes for BBC and also would mean half the contestants aren't holding back and afraid to vote out Traitors 'too early' incase there's recruits and they have to start over.

Starting with just 3 and having multiple recruits is a real flaw in the game and so unfair to the Faithful. It makes banishing Traitors pointless for the majority of the game.

Agreed!! It's why in game theory, you should leave the most obvious traitors till the end and brefriend them

Edited January 16Jan 16 by Auld Lang Peen!

29 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Starting with just 3 and having multiple recruits is a real flaw in the game and so unfair to the Faithful. It makes banishing Traitors pointless for the majority of the game.

It depends though how good the Traitors/ Faithful are.

In Series 1, the Faithful didn't get a Traitor until Episode 6. There was only 1 recruitment that series - and that was in the Episode 10!

However Series 2 and 3 had loads of recruitments - Series 2 started pretty much with 4 anyway as the 3 OG Traitors had to recruit the first show instead of murder. But there was then still a further 2 recruitments.

This series we had 4 to begin with and with just 4 eps to go, there has been no recruitments, so not bad going really.

Similarly the Celeb Traitors only had 3 Traitors and didn't need to recruit at all.