Not aimed at you Jack because obviously you’ve said already why you’re not a fan of Rachel, but more broadly when you end up in the depths of Twitter and other social media I find it interesting that even after 4 series of this the UK still has such a problem rooting for people that actually play the game and prove themselves to be brilliant at it (Rachel’s yet to prove herself fully and come full circle with the final three episodes, but see Harry etc). The UK public are just totally against ruthless - but still enjoyable - gameplay that isn’t married with endless emotional background stories and such. For all its faults otherwise it’s probably one of the reasons Survivor didn’t do well in the UK too, and probably why every channel is too scared to fully adopt the US format for Big Brother.

I know you already said it wasn't aimed at me and I do agree with you, she is playing a phenomenal game and it's insane how she has got away with two very close banishments imo, that one these faithfuls are just not....great.

I have seen a lot of love for Rachel though mostly. I probably am being a bit harsh on her, I wouldn't be mad at her winning she has some good qualities like her friendship with Stephen seems genuine. I think sometimes for me I just get invested in how much I like them on a personality level when really this isn't Big Brother or anything like that 🥲

Just now, Calum said:

Not aimed at you Jack because obviously you’ve said already why you’re not a fan of Rachel, but more broadly when you end up in the depths of Twitter and other social media I find it interesting that even after 4 series of this the UK still has such a problem rooting for people that actually play the game and prove themselves to be brilliant at it (Rachel’s yet to prove herself fully and come full circle with the final three episodes, but see Harry etc). The UK public are just totally against ruthless - but still enjoyable - gameplay that isn’t married with endless emotional background stories and such. For all its faults otherwise it’s probably one of the reasons Survivor didn’t do well in the UK too, and probably why every channel is too scared to fully adopt the US format for Big Brother.

I agree that the UK doesn't seem to like big game play, or players who seem to do too well... Saying that Meena had quite a fair amount of support, all the way until she got caught. Same with Amanda in Series 1... and Wilf too really.

I think for the most part Harry had support from the public and he did play it well. The only Traitor who seemed to have quite a big of flack was Paul in Series 2 - but he massively overplayed everything. I think most people could see that Harry did play a great game and kinda deserved it in the end. Jaz would've been the only real pleasing winner from a Faithful perspective - but he couldn't do anymore that series.

I think the issue with this series is the Faithful seem so dumb - or so caught up in 1 theory that they're disregarding the obvious - which in turn is playing into Stephen and Rachel's hands. Another series with different faithfuls and I think Stephen would have been banished now... same with Rachel after she had those 2 attacks. I don't find Rachel a particular warm personality, but she's played a great game and did so well with both attacks. I'm less keen on Stephen - he's a messy player and I think has been lucky with this bunch of faithfuls.

I guess that's why each game is different and brings its out set of frustrations/ problems 🤣

Edited January 17Jan 17 by ElectroBoy

I don't know if it's just the very nature of how we are in this situation, but it's pretty clear by this point that if you keep your head down, you'll last longer.

I don't know why they bother revealing their jobs. It doesn't always work against them but it's obviously going to get brought up.

It's only a proportion of viewers, but seeing how certain Traitors fans behave towards some participants (actively sending them hateful messages, to the point Rachel had to make a video about it) it seems there's a subsection of the audience that doesn't seem to want it either.

Rachel lives in the same county as me around 10 miles away, do I really sound like that when I speak….ugh our accent is terrible!

Edited January 18Jan 18 by Steve201

Rachel lives in the same county as me around 10 miles away, do I really sound like that when I speak….ugh our accent is terrible!

14 hours ago, Steve201 said:

Rachel lives in the same county as me around 10 miles away, do I really sound like that when I speak….ugh our accent is terrible!

She sounds like Nadine!

Edited January 18Jan 18 by Auld Lang Peen!

I'm personally not convinced Rachel is playing a good game. I just think she's surrounded by terrible game players who shoot themselves in the foot at every big opportunity. She could walk into the breakfasts doing nothing (as she does x), with a "I am 100% a Traitor" sign + the cloak and lantern and they'd still find a way to spin it on Jade or something...

I'm here for a Stephen win. I love how carefree he is, whilst still coming under fire and getting away with it all. He's the epitome of enjoying his time on the show, not taking anything seriously but still playing the game how it's supposed to be played.

I know they're all probably friends beyond the show now and that's what I love about it. It's such a "nice" game tbh. There's lies and deceit but they form friendships and a real bond with each other. It's actually quite nice.

In terms of the long game, it feels like Stephen is in a better position. Given he has Jade, Roxy and Jack - who are very close to him (going by the last episode, although before that it wasn't something we were that aware of).

Rachel doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar's - but she doesn't seem to be anyone's favourite/ closest person of those remaining. So when it comes down to the final part and wanting to basically be there with your closest people etc, it probably isn't going to put her in a good place.

Whilst Stephen and Rachel do have a pact, I do wonder if one will turn on the other in order to get all of the money. If the final 3 was Jack, Stephen and Rachel for instance, I could see Stephen turning on Rachel.

Hopefully something happens in the lead up to the final though, at the moment it feels a little pointless as Stephen and Rachel are just on no-one's radar's. The next few roundtables could easily just be Jade voted out and then Matthew voted out. Faraaz being murdered, leaving Stephen's allies remaining and a clear path for them to win.

I don't think we'll know if the traitors have played a good game until we get to the end. I know that sounds kinda obvious but it's smart as a faithful to keep the traitors close and make it clear you're suspecting other people so they don't murder you - It feels to me that the narrative at the moment from the producers is making it look like the traitors are in a strong position, which in turn makes me think that we're going to get a faithfuls win.

I agree with the above that I haven't seen any evidence that anyone would choose to keep Rachel until the end so I'm currently expecting that she'll go at some point, even if it's near the end and people are just saying that they only want to keep the people they are 100% confident about. For Rachel and Stephen to win, they need to decimate the obvious faithfuls like James and Faraaz.

Out of those remaining, I feel like the only way they can win is if they do something like:

Round table: Matthew

Murder: Faraaz

Round table: Roxy or James

Murder: Jack or Jade

Wouldn't surprise me to see Jade win though, I feel like her narrative has been set up to end up besting the attacks at the round table (even though I feel she's not really had it that bad tbh, certainly nothing compared to Reece)

2 hours ago, Tafty said:

I'm personally not convinced Rachel is playing a good game. I just think she's surrounded by terrible game players who shoot themselves in the foot at every big opportunity. She could walk into the breakfasts doing nothing (as she does x), with a "I am 100% a Traitor" sign + the cloak and lantern and they'd still find a way to spin it on Jade or something...

I'm here for a Stephen win. I love how carefree he is, whilst still coming under fire and getting away with it all. He's the epitome of enjoying his time on the show, not taking anything seriously but still playing the game how it's supposed to be played.

I know they're all probably friends beyond the show now and that's what I love about it. It's such a "nice" game tbh. There's lies and deceit but they form friendships and a real bond with each other. It's actually quite nice.

Both Rachel and Stephen are really lucky. Stephen was terrible early on but reigned it in and Rachel has made some totally dumb moves. One thing I can't get with the Faithful this year is there have been very obvious moves made by Rachel and they've not twigged at all. When you reveal you are an FBI profiler, surely that's a red flag that she hasn't been murdered (especially with the final murder they will commit).

I do agree with the gameplay comment that someone made in this thread. I can't warm to Rachel at all, but maybe that's where my unconscious bias is creeping in. I thinkI want certain people to win rather than Traitors/Faithful. Take last year, the winners were fecking horrible but I really wanted Alexander to win. And in series 2 I really wanted Jaz to win, but did think it was great TV when Mollie realised she'd been played.

2 hours ago, Auld Lang Peen! said:

Rachel lives in the same county as me around 10 miles away, do I really sound like that when I speak….ugh our accent is terrible!

She sounds like Nadine!

Nah Nadine is from Derry literally the other end of the province, Newry is in the south east of County Down, near the border.

 

2 hours ago, Tafty said:

I'm personally not convinced Rachel is playing a good game. I just think she's surrounded by terrible game players who shoot themselves in the foot at every big opportunity. She could walk into the breakfasts doing nothing (as she does x), with a "I am 100% a Traitor" sign + the cloak and lantern and they'd still find a way to spin it on Jade or something...

I'm here for a Stephen win. I love how carefree he is, whilst still coming under fire and getting away with it all. He's the epitome of enjoying his time on the show, not taking anything seriously but still playing the game how it's supposed to be played.

I know they're all probably friends beyond the show now and that's what I love about it. It's such a "nice" game tbh. There's lies and deceit but they form friendships and a real bond with each other. It's actually quite nice.

Yeh, it’s so bad I’m Convienced it’s a fix lol, heat should have been on her after Fiona and Harriet and yet the next morning it’s like it didn’t happen.

I don't think it's a fix, I don't think a game like this could be so majorly fixed like that when it relies so much on human interaction and impulse.

Ultimately I think what's worked in Rachel's favour is that both Fiona and Harriet didn't exactly put their points across in the best of ways. Fiona was jealous about not hearing some intel about Amanda and fired at Rachel out of nowhere, while Harriet's good points escalated quickly into accusing half of the viewing audience of being traitors...!!!! It's the manner in which they came for Rachel that's kept the heat off her, I think (and the fact that they've very much kept some of the worst faithfuls to the end - a great game plan!)

IMO Rachel's playing a stellar game and I've been rooting for her and Stephen from the start, they're a great team and I genuinely think they'll do what they can to win together, too.

I have made references to it as a joke, but a lot of how the traitors have, so far, had a relatively easy time has been down to so much tunnel vision on the part of the Faithfuls this series. Principally with Amanda, and to a lesser extent Adam and Ellie, focusing on Jade, but also wild sidequests like Roxy against James and even Jessie, as much as we like her for being right on Stephen, her suspicions of him were also to a large part informed by tunnel vision. This group have an aversion to admitting they may be wrong and principally, against considering more people than just the one or two who are currently sticking in their mind.

Which means that when someone comes along to disrupt that, they might go away from their preconceived thought for a moment, to banish the one standing out, and Harriet and Fiona both fell to this, but they don't actually listen to anyone elses' theory for the long term. There's little winning people round based on actions, words or body language, just a few hunches, largely from near the start of the show, that persist round after round.

ironically it might be a severe overreaction to the first banishment of Judy where everyone exhibited the opposite, equally undesirable trait of herd mentality.

12 minutes ago, Steve201 said:

Nah Nadine is from Derry literally the other end of the province, Newry is in the south east of County Down, near the border.

 

Yeh, it’s so bad I’m Convienced it’s a fix lol, heat should have been on her after Fiona and Harriet and yet the next morning it’s like it didn’t happen.

Fiona turned out to be a Traitor though - which probably helped negate a lot of what she was saying.

Harriet came across as unhinged, so again a lot of it was probably negated. I mean they didn't listen to anything she said - she stated 3 names and all 3 are still there.

Of course we could get our first two traitor win-and there can still be drama. If they do the share/steal ending then I can see Rachel stealing all the money for herself.

Oh do they do a share/split style ending then? A bit like Golden Balls used to?

3 minutes ago, dandy* said:

Oh do they do a share/split style ending then? A bit like Golden Balls used to?

They did in the Australian one when 3 Traitors reached the end.

I don't think more than 1 Traitor has made it in any other series?

I would definitely play it the way that guy did on Golden Balls once in that case - I'd be clear that I'd be choosing to steal it all but also be clear that I would actually split it 50/50 with the other person on the basis they chose to share. I do think that's the best tactic by far for that game (and I would genuinely have every intention of sharing it as well)

9 minutes ago, ElectroBoy said:

They did in the Australian one when 3 Traitors reached the end.

I don't think more than 1 Traitor has made it in any other series?

That series was a complete car crash. Thankfully the ending saved it.

Imagine being that batshit crazy that you feel compelled to send hateful messages to participants of a game show. The grass outside needs touching x