34 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Does anyone else think it may change the gameplay a bit if they just started off the game with 5 or 6 Traitors and there were no recruitments?

It would mean the show would almost guarantee to last the minimum length of episodes for BBC and also would mean half the contestants aren't holding back and afraid to vote out Traitors 'too early' incase there's recruits and they have to start over.

Starting with just 3 and having multiple recruits is a real flaw in the game and so unfair to the Faithful. It makes banishing Traitors pointless for the majority of the game.

It's a decent idea, and the strength of this show is its flexibility in switching the format up, but every decision like this has a lot of knock-on effects that may or may not be desirable. For instance, here, you instantly create a bloc of votes large enough to sway the round table as well as murder - perfect information players have so much power in these games and you want to be careful with giving them more, that's partly why I think they've been so generous with shields this series and had the Secret Traitor to dial back the Traitors' power in the early game.

Even something as simple as upping the prize pot for each Traitor banished, which I've seen suggested at times, may create, through its incentives, more backstabbing drama than the producers want to deal with to keep a coherent television show story going.

They've kind of landed on 3 as a number too because it works really well for a television show production. The turret is set up to film for 3 players, maybe 4 at a push, more would be crowded. Any more than 3 or 4 really also runs the risk of too many Traitor plotlines going on at once for the viewer. It's fine if we don't always remember who Jack the random faithful is until episode 7, but you want your audience to be aware of all the Traitors - they're the protagonists, they're the ones driving a large amount of the events going on and too many Traitors at once may well make structuring episodes too chaotic.

Recruitment also works as a nice occasional concept to contrast against murder for every decision, and does its job to keep the show at its desired length no matter how many Traitors are caught. It's seemingly rarely taken now contestants know it often doesn't work that well, but it has potential with the right contestant - Charlotte was a fantastic choice last year and kept that series going towards the end.

Those ratings and genuinely mad. The move to 8pm doesn't suit me - but fair play to the BBC team. Imagine if they found a way to have something Traitors related on Christmas Day.

I know for some of the flaws it means to issues but to have a programme like this with multi generational appeal on linear TV is bonkers - not sure we will see much else like this again.

Such a shame, but I think it was obvious it was going to be her :(

Not Jack rolling out the Leanne S3 trope of assuming he’s still in the game because someone is keeping him there.

I’m uncomfortable with the amount of screentime he’s getting lately. Why do I feel like he’s the winner? :(

Ugh this round table has made me pretty much dislike all of them other than Jade and Ellie - and no doubt one of them will go

There’s gotta be a twist at this dinner party?

Feels like there isn't enough people left for another 3 shows

(is swearing not allowed on BBC at this time or do these contestants never swear? I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard the F word)

4 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

(is swearing not allowed on BBC at this time or do these contestants never swear? I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard the F word)

I’ve just finished the first series of the American version and the F word was thrown around quite regularly.

Guessing they'll give Rachel the power then.

Its a frustrating watch as despite the murmurings of Stephen throughout the day, no one said or did anything. All they really had to do was sit back and watch as the Faithfuls went at each other.

Also didn’t Claudia tell Meryl off for swearing right at the end of the first series?

6 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

(is swearing not allowed on BBC at this time or do these contestants never swear? I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard the F word)

The first series has swearing in it... same with Series 2 and 3 - i'm guessing its the new 8pm slot and them probably wanting to attract a family audience.

Quite strange that the traitors looked utterly hopeless a week ago and now look in a very strong position. A real shame to lose Jessie, definitely the best faithful this year after Harriet totally imploded, but definitely the right thing to do as she'd have worked up enough for support for Stephen eventually. Really quite surprising he didn't pick up a single vote, and Rachel could easily take the second dagger and this lot don't seem to be able to know any better. Hopefully can go down to the wire (and please not completely destroying the tension like last year's Seer)

I do love how Roxy is just always one step away from actually being right and then falters again, worst faithful this year surely unless there's a last minute escalation x

Need Rachel and Stephen to go all the way with this she was so iconic in that episode and phew at Stephen getting off with the Jessie murder (for now).

Rachel is surely the only obvious choice to receive the dagger and can easily be spun as being a level-headed faithful to give it to and a vote they can be happy with being doubled out of everyone.

Agree with Calum, this is the first series I've wanted the traitors to win.

7 minutes ago, ElectroBoy said:

The first series has swearing in it... same with Series 2 and 3 - i'm guessing its the new 8pm slot and them probably wanting to attract a family audience.

They bleeped an F word the other day.

It's pretty much the same show aside from that.

I guess I’m team traitor now that Jessie’s gone. There’s just no one else to root for. I did feel massively for Jade tonight. She has been hounded since day one for absolutely nothing. She isn’t bringing anything either so she’s just very unlucky.

I don’t care how many people fancy him, Matthew is a horrible person.

I wish they’d banish Roxy just because she’s so annoying.

12 minutes ago, T Boy said:

I don’t care how many people fancy him, Matthew is a horrible person.

Agreed Matt has come across awfully the last few episodes. No redeeming qualities at all.

Funny part is I feel like the gay producer is seething Stephen's a traitor and he would have had the shower scene but they had to settle on Matt

Jade pieing Matt's hug attempt was gold. I really don't think he should or will be recruited now