what do y'all make of this

Its a weird one, there's 3 sides to this story we have 2 ,

Chappels , the family and the security guard ,

We haven't heard the security guards story, chappels does seem like damage limitation is she being 100 percent honest who knows, is the family stretch the truth again who knows its a very grey 1

I honestly don't get how this has blown up quite so much. It's kinda well documented by now that Chappell doesn't want to be approached by fans, and knowingly allowinging your daughter try to sneak a peak kinda disrespects that. 🤷‍♂️

None of us will ever know what the security guard said, but it kinda sounded like "please don't disturb Chappell while she's eating breakfast" which is fair if your security spots someone who seems to be trying to approach her?

She needs to realize that she’s a public figure and not just a random person like she once said in one of her live streams. These aren’t encounters between two random people, but between ordinary people and a public figure. It’s completely understandable that she might not like that (I wouldn’t either) but you don’t go around trashing your fans and pushing them away just because you’re uncomfortable with people approaching you for a photo. I don’t think this footballer would have any reason to lie, and on the other hand, Chappell has a history of how she treats fans and the kinds of statements she makes, which never really work in her favor. Yes, it’s hard to maintain privacy and peace when you’re famous, but you can still behave with dignity.

She is well-known, yes, but not nearly as much as some other public figures who have never made statements like Chappell or put down their fans in that way. Yes, people can be weird and difficult, and there are all kinds of them, but she’s not the only public figure who has to deal with that. And that situation in Paris, when she was filming paparazzi who were filming her what exactly did she do differently from what she was accusing them of? It would have been more dignified if she had simply gotten into the car and left; this way, she really makes herself come across as quite ...

2 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

I honestly don't get how this has blown up quite so much. It's kinda well documented by now that Chappell doesn't want to be approached by fans, and knowingly allowinging your daughter try to sneak a peak kinda disrespects that. 🤷‍♂️

None of us will ever know what the security guard said, but it kinda sounded like "please don't disturb Chappell while she's eating breakfast" which is fair if your security spots someone who seems to be trying to approach her?

Chappell (or Shapelle ) has very rapidly been creating an image of herself - and continues to do so - that's quite off-putting for a lot of people. While, absolutely, every celebrity deserves privacy and respect to go about their lives it seems largely contradictory that she'll call a lot of what she doesn't like about fame out on social media regarding wanting to change that, preserving her privacy, etc yet seems to invite controversy and kerfuffles by... doing the exact opposite and following traditional celebrity ideologies and behaviours.

Putting the fact that both parties involved are in the limelight, well off and don't need to be picking public fights all over social media over a pretty meaningless altercation aside, Chappell's fans are really doing the most to come to her defence. A young girl (with parents of a status that she would likely know, have learned or been taught not to invade somebody's privacy in a certain way) has looked at her and suddenly this girl and her mother are in the wrong with bad parenting and more being brought up? If you're having breakfast in a communal area open to all, what gives anybody the right to expect total privacy without people sweeping by or, gasp, catching a quick glance and potentially interacting with you kindly regardless of status?

We don't really need the security guard's take on things now else we'll have a Netflix limited series on the whole saga in a few months' time, but it seems pretty obvious going by the hotel's response paired with the articulate and measured response from one party versus the half-baked, I-don't-give-a-f***, couldn't be bothered to even address it properly party that the security guard likely was affiliated with her in some way and would have been acting on previously agreed instructions. It certainly comes across to me she's quite possibly surrounded by a lot of yes people in her team who aren't prepared to tell her when sometimes she might be behaving like a clown, nor do they have a real grip on how to handle PR in the best way for her.

Hard disagree on the above, in particular the bit about the paps. She wasn't making someone who has made it very clear they value their privacy feel uncomfortable, she was recording a video to highlight the fact THEY were taking pictures of her without her consent.

11 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

Hard disagree on the above, in particular the bit about the paps. She wasn't making someone who has made it very clear they value their privacy feel uncomfortable, she was recording a video to highlight the fact THEY were taking pictures of her without her consent.

This is literally their job, and as long as she’s in a public space, they’re legally allowed to photograph her. That’s how they make a living. This wasn’t some invasion of a private setting, it happened in the middle of the street, where she was fully visible as a public figure.

Also, her van was right there, and she could have simply gotten in and left the situation if it made her uncomfortable. Instead, she chose to stay and film them back. At that point, it kind of undermines the argument because she’s essentially doing the same thing she’s criticizing. If the issue is consent and discomfort, then mirroring the behavior doesn’t really solve it, it just turns it into a back-and-forth.

Exactly just like other public figures, she has to accept that this comes with the territory. What does she expect to say “I don’t like being filmed” and suddenly the whole industry that literally builds itself around photographing and covering public personalities is going to stop? That’s not reality, that’s an illusion. Being known, having a public presence, it always comes with that exposure, and no one gets a free pass just because it’s uncomfortable for someone.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Nine And ¾

The funniest thing about the Paris incident is there were literally about 4 people max there, including her, and she had all the means to just leave the situation or keep going about her evening as she was by not interacting with them, but instead made a conscious decision to engage like she'd had a brainwave that asserting dominance in that moment would somehow make the whole paparazzi world come crumbling down lol x

Instead you just had some confused guy wanting an autograph stood there like

I'll be honest, I don't think this looks good on Chappell at all, especially given it's not the first incident where she's come across as less-than-favourable towards her fans.

Don't get me wrong, the life of a celebrity must be very intense, and some paps don't behave appropriately or considerately - this isn't new, and Chappell isn't necessarily wrong for calling it out. This doesn't involve paps, though. It's breakfast at a posh hotel, where all attendees would be high-paying guests. I don't really see a reason for Jorginho or his wife to lie. They have nothing to gain from it, given he's already a very famous footballer in Brazil. It's baffling to think a little girl walking past and smiling is something that requires intervention from a security guard (who, it appears, was not working for the hotel, according to Catherine Harding, and I believe the hotel itself has confirmed this?). That's not an invasion of privacy, especially if you, a public figure, are choosing to eat breakfast in a communal area.

My impression of Catherine Harding's video was that it came across classy and eloquent. Her daughter being called "badly educated" and them being berated and accused of harassment is just not okay, and that's on the security guard, even if Chappell had directed him to go over (which we'll probably never know). Regardless, if he's attached to her party at the hotel, then it does reflect on her and her team and that's something they perhaps need to deal with, especially if he acted of his own accord and not under instruction. Chappell's statement was the predictable PR angle - make the nameless security guard the scapegoat. To me, it didn't feel sincere at all.

This video from a little while ago doesn't really help her case:

Whilst she makes good points here about the extreme behaviour of some fans, including harassing and stalking, I find it strange that she includes fans asking for selfies in the same breath. This and multiple other occasions don't give me the impression that Chappell is welcoming to fan interactions. Maybe it's badly worded on her part, and she's only referring to those who are inconsiderate or rude in their approach. She's also entirely right in that she can say no to a selfie request or an autograph, but a polite interaction from a fan shouldn't be labelled "weird" and included in the same sentence as stalking...!

Ultimately I have to wonder what support she's had from her team to prepare her for celebrity life - it doesn't appear that there's been any! There's nuances to all of these situations but my impression of these Chappell instances is that she doesn't have the nuance herself to navigate fan interactions. If a little girl smiling at you is enough to possibly send your security over to them, then something's gone wrong along the way.

4 minutes ago, Nine And ¾ said:

This is literally their job, and as long as she’s in a public space, they’re legally allowed to photograph her. That’s how they make a living. This wasn’t some invasion of a private setting, it happened in the middle of the street, where she was fully visible as a public figure.

Also, her van was right there, and she could have simply gotten in and left the situation if it made her uncomfortable. Instead, she chose to stay and film them back. At that point, it kind of undermines the argument because she’s essentially doing the same thing she’s criticizing. If the issue is consent and discomfort, then mirroring the behavior doesn’t really solve it, it just turns it into a back-and-forth.

Exactly just like other public figures, she has to accept that this comes with the territory. What does she expect to say “I don’t like being filmed” and suddenly the whole industry that literally builds itself around photographing and covering public personalities is going to stop? That’s not reality, that’s an illusion. Being known, having a public presence, it always comes with that exposure, and no one gets a free pass just because it’s uncomfortable for someone.

Just because it's your job doesn't mean it's okay to do. It's especially not okay to do it if someone has said they are not okay with it (and they will be very well aware Chappell is not). If she was on the red carpet (i.e. working), then sure, take all the pics you want, otherwise you don't do something that someone has said they don't want you doing unless it's necessary.

She might not be the perfect role-model for delivering the message/saying what she wants to say in the right way, but in order for change to be made, people need to actually be saying things!

8 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

Just because it's your job doesn't mean it's okay to do. It's especially not okay to do it if someone has said they are not okay with it (and they will be very well aware Chappell is not). If she was on the red carpet (i.e. working), then sure, take all the pics you want, otherwise you don't do something that someone has said they don't want you doing unless it's necessary.

She might not be the perfect role-model for delivering the message/saying what she wants to say in the right way, but in order for change to be made, people need to actually be saying things!

I agree with you on a moral level, but that’s idealistic, the world doesn’t operate that way, and no amount of personal attitude will change the system. Does she really think any other public figure genuinely enjoys being constantly observed and photographed? If this kind of attention bothers her, the only logical choice would be to avoid putting herself in those situations, rather than confronting them head-on and then acting as if she’s somehow “standing up” for herself. The world doesn’t revolve around her, and her actions are fundamentally at odds with the expectations she claims to have.

2 minutes ago, Nine And ¾ said:

I agree with you on a moral level, but that’s idealistic, the world doesn’t operate that way, and no amount of personal attitude will change the system. Does she really think any other public figure genuinely enjoys being constantly observed and photographed? If this kind of attention bothers her, the only logical choice would be to avoid putting herself in those situations, rather than confronting them head-on and then acting as if she’s somehow “standing up” for herself. The world doesn’t revolve around her, and her actions are fundamentally at odds with the expectations she claims to have.

You see, I agree with this, but I've never been a celebrity so I don't know how easy/realistic it is to avoid those situations. People know her stance, and they are choosing to ignore it.

I think she's raising awareness, maybe in the wrong way, but she's raising awareness of something that makes her uncomfortable (and very likely other people too). The world doesn't operate that way, but women used to have next to no rights and homosexuality used to be illegal - attitudes don't change unless people speak out.

I do think it's odd that she doesn't seem to appreciate fans asking for autographs/photos etc, but she's been open about her mental health issues and I'm sure any true fan would respect her privacy and meet her through the avenues she wants to interact! It's a tricky one: she wouldn't be as successful without her fans, but her fans wouldn't have her music without her!

Who is she raising awareness for? Because as Joe Public consumers of music who might happen to walk down the street one day and say 'oh my god there's Chappell Roan!' (and if you're so inclined, try and say a quick hello, get an autograph or a selfie), what position are we in to change any of that when the majority of celebrities are more than happy to stop briefly then go about their day as normal? Celebrities have spoken out about the press for years, and what's changed? To some it's like she's building a reputation for herself as that person you daren't share the same air as else you'll be flattened by a 6'6 mountain of muscle or be on the receiving end of a half-awake, unbothered-yet-somehow-totally-bothered video lambasting you.

N&3Q put it best in that it seems what she claims to want and what she actually does are totally at odds and ultimately everybody's just going to continue to question or feel confused by her actions whenever the next thing undoubtedly happens.

37 minutes ago, Calum said:

Who is she raising awareness for? Because as Joe Public consumers of music who might happen to walk down the street one day and say 'oh my god there's Chappell Roan!' (and if you're so inclined, try and say a quick hello, get an autograph or a selfie), what position are we in to change any of that when the majority of celebrities are more than happy to stop briefly then go about their day as normal? Celebrities have spoken out about the press for years, and what's changed? To some it's like she's building a reputation for herself as that person you daren't share the same air as else you'll be flattened by a 6'6 mountain of muscle or be on the receiving end of a half-awake, unbothered-yet-somehow-totally-bothered video lambasting you.

N&3Q put it best in that it seems what she claims to want and what she actually does are totally at odds and ultimately everybody's just going to continue to question or feel confused by her actions whenever the next thing undoubtedly happens.

Raising awareness that, for some people (in particular those that suffer from mental health issues), failing to respect their privacy/personal space is not ok.

I'm not a celebrity, but for context, I have a mohawk which has attracted attention. People ask me about it all the time, touch it without asking, and I would be pretty pissed off if I saw someone taking a picture of me without asking if I was happy for them to do so. Just because Chappell is a celebrity, doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to opt out of these things simply for existing in a public space.

Again, definitely delivering the message in a less than perfect way (as proven by many post stating the way she's coming across), but just because something does and has always happened, doesn't necessarily mean it's okay to happen! (And just because lots of celebs are seemingly happy to be approached, doesn't mean everyone is, no two people are the same afterall)

This entire situation has been blown out of proportion, honestly the internet just loves to jump on a hate campaign. This mum and her kid have obviously not liked being told no and have exaggerated it a bit to the dad, the fact it's not even Chappell's own security guard and she had no idea any of that even happened is a testament to that. Chappell being banned from playing a festival in Brazil as a result of this is completely ridiculous when there's famous men who are known abusers still able to continue their careers like nothing happened.

Cancel culture is so so toxic, people are constantly looking for a reason to dislike someone, especially women and Chappell makes herself an easy target for that by being outspoken about her boundaries and the things she stands for. Anyone criticising her for that really needs to have a think as to why they're so bothered by a woman not making herself completely accessible to everyone.

11 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

Raising awareness that, for some people (in particular those that suffer from mental health issues), failing to respect their privacy/personal space is not ok.

I'm not a celebrity, but for context, I have a mohawk which has attracted attention. People ask me about it all the time, touch it without asking, and I would be pretty pissed off if I saw someone taking a picture of me without asking if I was happy for them to do so. Just because Chappell is a celebrity, doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to opt out of these things simply for existing in a public space.

Again, definitely delivering the message in a less than perfect way (as proven by many post stating the way she's coming across), but just because something does and has always happened, doesn't necessarily mean it's okay to happen! (And just because lots of celebs are seemingly happy to be approached, doesn't mean everyone is, no two people are the same afterall)

I understand some of what you're saying, but I guess from my point of view (and many others) it's just difficult to find a middle ground and feel sorry for Chappell when, for example, you also have people like Lola Young who have been very open about their struggles with mental health, have taken time away, have asked for privacy (which, as far as I know without trawling every corner of the internet, has been respected by fans or otherwise)... yet find it within themselves to be kind and not brazenly tar fans with a brush that basically says they're all deranged, weird stalkers.

What's the equivalent situation for a famous person say, 30 years ago, before social media, before smartphones, before selfies etc etc... how would a typical celebrity respond to this, and perhaps it was lesser known than today where news and scandals are more circulated and accessible than then. Would they have had more privacy would you say then to now? Perhaps there would be more respect and less tolerance to certain behaviours that are common today, but principly, would a typical famous person seemingly have more rights to privacy than today with the technology available?

Also, I don't think it's that Chappell never wants to interact with her fans, there's plenty of videos and posts etc online showing that she does do that, she just doesn't want to be approached when she's not working which is completely fair imo, she should be able to go to the shops, hang with her friends, have breakfast at a hotel without worrying about people pestering her. It's all fine saying if you don't want to be seen then don't go to public events but she's going to these events as Chappell, she's prepared for the situations that come with that whereas someone chasing her down on the street on her days off when she's just trying to get to where she's going is different.

I do agree it's been very overblown and the stories given feel a bit conflicting and exaggerated for attention so I don't think we'll really know the full story. It's a pointless thing to get angry about really, I'm somewhere in the middle - she's entitled to privacy at breakfast and I think parents should make that clear to children, but it definitely didn't need security intervention if indeed that is all that happened.

Saying that though, these constant dramas do seem to be a bit of an ongoing issue for Chappell - I'm honestly on her side and I don't think it's unreasonable of her at all to want boundaries from fans and not to want a parasocial relationship, I think her problem is how she comes across, she lacks a filter and some of these outbursts (the 'men have never made good music' thing for one) just really don't help her case and make it easy for the media to blow things out of proportion and paint her a certain way. I'm aware her condition would likely influence her behaviour and that nuance is really missing in conversations about her, but it is a shame that this seems to be an endless cycle for her.

Your a public figure in a public place its not illegal for the public to take pictures you have to sick it up

As for tbe breakfast yeah entitled to privacy but if its true its way OTT reaction