2 minutes ago, Steve201 said:

How can such an iconic singer not make people want to listen to her music after she passes away.

Assuming 'Total Eclipse...' is still on ACR and won't be reset until Friday, it's possible Bonnie could make the Top 40 still.

Sadly, following the deaths of musicians in recent years, the impact on streaming has generally dropped away sharply after the first 24 hours. I'm sure there's a link between this pattern and new music increasingly struggling for a foothold after day 1 - the types of channel that would encourage people to stream something not already on their playlists just don't seem to be as effective as they were a few years ago.

28 minutes ago, Hadji said:

I’m English, not Irish 🤦‍♂️

Thank god we don’t have to claim you.

I’d be happy enough to see Wonderwall finally make #1 if it was to do it. I know it’s hugely overplayed but I adored it back when it was released, rather that than 3 Lions yet again.

its a fantastic track, just been overplayed.

Yeah I echo the comments about 'Wonderwall', I remember being absolutely blown away when I first heard it and for years it was one of my all time favourite songs... but it's so overplayed by this point that hearing it now does nothing for me. I kind of don't want it to make #1 because I like the fact that it's one of the biggest selling #2 singles ever. I was similarly upset when 'Last Christmas' eventually made #1, it just didn't feel right to me.

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by Mangø

9 hours ago, Mangø said:

Yeah I echo the comments about 'Wonderwall', I remember being absolutely blown away when I first heard it and for years it was one of my all time favourite songs... but it's so overplayed by this point that hearing it now does nothing for me. I kind of don't want it to make #1 because I like the fact that it's one of the biggest selling #2 singles ever. I was similarly upset when 'Last Christmas' eventually made #1, it just didn't feel right to me.

Yeh I’m the same, and I would say the same with Mr Brightside, I like the querk in chart history that such a huge song ‘only’ made it to no10!

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Steve201

Might be the Goomba fallacy in play, but there's an irony here because I so often see the implication that an old song reset is 'unnecessary' if it's not for the means of a new chart peak.

16 hours ago, Hadji said:

I’m hoping either 3 Lions or Wonderwall denies Rein Me In a 17th week at the top but more preferably the latter. I’d love to see Wonderwall finally go to number 1 after 31 years

Same here. Three Lions has already been No.1.

It's very refreshing to see a song like Wonderwall doing so well on Spotify globally - not that it is a fresh song itself but it is a song by a rock band... I don't think we have had such a thing at #1 on global Spotify like... ever? Linkin Park reached #6 with The Emptiness Machine.

EDIT: Thought this was the Streaming topic, well anyway, the point still stands lol

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by Sour Candy

12 hours ago, Borza said:

It really is getting tougher for new songs and artists to break through. Surely a rethink is required. Some songs in that top 100 are never ever leaving!

I’ve been saying it for ages - we’re now at the point with decades old songs getting reset and other ‘newer’ songs having 50+ week chart runs.

Aside from TikTok it feels like there is nowhere for new artists to promote themselves either. The charts are just a retro chart now.

It won't last forever, things come and go in cycles

(Well, hopefully)

Really think a change is long overdue, perhaps don't count any streaming playlists thats are free to use, no monthly fee or subscription, for all I know the music playing in the lift might be contributing to the charts

14 minutes ago, Sour Candy said:

It's very refreshing to see a song like Wonderwall doing so well on Spotify globally - not that it is a fresh song itself but it is a song by a rock band... I don't think we have had such a thing at #1 on global Spotify like... ever? Linkin Park reached #6 with The Emptiness Machine.

EDIT: Thought this was the Streaming topic, well anyway, the point still stands lol

Closest thing I can see is Maneskin's Beggin' reached #1 there in 2021.

And a few "alternative" songs by solo artists - Dominic Fike, Djo, Sombr, Olivia's Good 4 U.

Måneskin is a good catch! That definitely qualifies as a comparison if we consider only bands.

Even if Rein Me In does go to ACR, the damage has already been done

36 minutes ago, Scone1 said:

Really think a change is long overdue, perhaps don't count any streaming playlists thats are free to use, no monthly fee or subscription, for all I know the music playing in the lift might be contributing to the charts

The flaw with that is ee could end up with number 1s doing less than 20k regularly, heck the number 2 last week couldn't even scrape 26k with all of these

I think the prevalence of older hit songs is a smokescreen for the real issue here: the rapid collapse of the very notion of the 'top 40 music fan'. It's a self-sustaining ecosystem that invites regular curiosities and regulates longevity through a self-contained audience that latches onto everything around the same time. What we've got at the moment is a look into a world where this isn't quite the same anymore. You still get those hits, but an audience that doesn't keep up as attentively as before, so a 16 week #1 article can be met with online comments completely unaware it existed, and in the process, giving it a new lease on life as it extends its potential audience to this day. The big stars are still big, but largely sustained on their big audiences who serve in a more isolated form of that top 40 fan, and also in a manner where the cult of the star matters more than the credentials of the song itself (eg Taylor Swift sustaining longevity through the exposure of a song being at the top of her Spotify artist page).

But here's the catch! We do still have that eager breed of music fan, evolved from the top 40 fan or otherwise that are still listening to new music and latching onto it in the same way. In fact, part of the problem is that they're all doing it at the same time and that's why most new songs peak on the first day. I could imagine a new chart system that works under the manner of this kind of listener (there's an Alternative chart I see posted online every now and then which seems to fit the bill), but they'll be blistered away by the sheer noise of the most popular artists. Artists like Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish etc are at a point where their entire discographies are incapable of dipping below a certain level of daily streams, and that's a level that most artists will never hit on their best day. The more exclusionary systems you create, the further you run towards just making something akin to an artist chart, where the latest single by a noteworthy artist becomes glued to the top end of the chart only until it's the newest member of the excluded club.

I always recommend looking at the ARIA New Music chart for an idea of how this plays out. It's an extreme example where everything drops off after 4 months (and there's a 3 track limit), but you're already witnessing that future in action. Olivia Rodrigo's songs are glued to the top 10 and just too far ahead to ever really fall out until their allotted time is up. The chart goes down to a Drake song at #20 which I doubt is even one of the top 100 biggest songs right now overall. The enormous gaps these exclusions create mean that there's hardly any movement week to week. Effectively you'd just be creating a chart that's as 'boring' as the one it's designed to fix, but without the credibility and intrigue that comes with actually being the most popular songs that week.

(Also not loving the excess of AI slop that keeps making the official chart only because ACR widens the opening. Given the suspect nature of a lot of that stuff's popularity, you're also inviting the possibility that real human activity, as dull as it might be, is replaced by a system where it's like Twitter and just bots talking to other bots)

1 hour ago, Dircadirca said:

Might be the Goomba fallacy in play, but there's an irony here because I so often see the implication that an old song reset is 'unnecessary' if it's not for the means of a new chart peak.

This is exactly how I feel!

Wonderwall may genuinely be my least favourite song ever (it’s battling with 3 Lions - I think you can tell why I hate football season so much) but I wouldn’t be against it going #1 because the fact it hasn’t already is baffling lmao & it is an iconic song for better or for worse

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by blackmascara

Honestly at this point im just waiting for ed sheerans perfect to go viral again and get a reset 🤣 considering they basically "abolished" the 3 year rule