A poll for the Observer today shows Labour are set to face wipe-out at the next general election, down to just 146 seats with Jacqui Smith and Jack Straw amongst those who look likely to lose their seats. Let's be honest, there really is no way back for Brown or probably any other Labour leader.

It's amazing to think that this time last year, Labour looked certain to have a landslide victory in the election that looked certain to be called within weeks.

i cant see it tbh, in 92 the polls predicted the tories were out by a big margin and that was wrong..

i can see Gordon Brown loosing his seat that area of Fife has turned very SNP/Lib Dem since the last election

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is virtually certain to lose her seat, defending a 2016 majority.

we'll probably have to wait until 2010 to find out <_< and that's a long time in politics

People seem to forget that the world is in the grip of a severe financial crisis - whichever party is in power would bear the brunt of the backlash.

 

However, what makes it all the more ironic for Labour is that, love him or loathe him, Gordon Brown is undoubtedly the politician most well equipped to deal with recession. If not the only politician currently in the frame with any idea on what to do about it.

 

I shake my head a smile when people mention voting for a loon like Cameron, a guy who, let's face it, was probably only allowed to handle real money after he'd left his grotesquely posh private school. This man wouldn't know his pretty little head from his ass in a time of crisis like we're in now.

 

OK, Brown's a dreadful public speaker and is as interesting as watching golf on TV.... but he's the only one we should even be thinking about to help guide us through these next troubled few years.

People seem to forget that the world is in the grip of a severe financial crisis - whichever party is in power would bear the brunt of the backlash.

 

However, what makes it all the more ironic for Labour is that, love him or loathe him, Gordon Brown is undoubtedly the politician most well equipped to deal with recession. If not the only politician currently in the frame with any idea on what to do about it.

 

I shake my head a smile when people mention voting for a loon like Cameron, a guy who, let's face it, was probably only allowed to handle real money after he'd left his grotesquely posh private school. This man wouldn't know his pretty little head from his ass in a time of crisis like we're in now.

 

OK, Brown's a dreadful public speaker and is as interesting as watching golf on TV.... but he's the only one we should even be thinking about to help guide us through these next troubled few years.

Hear Hear. As dull as he is, he can certainly handle our finances....

Hear Hear. As dull as he is, he can certainly handle our finances....

 

:rolleyes:

 

Yes, like selling off 30% of Britain's Gold reserves at $175/oz, when they are currently worth $896/oz, therefore costing the British tax payer over £2.3 billion.

 

Or how about not putting any money aside when the times were good to reduce the budget deficit; which we (the taxpayer have to pay interest on). Ironically Gordon Brown was all very happy to make poverty history and write off third world debt (to the tune of £750 million per year). But no one is going to write off our debt that his governance is acruing.

 

.... And don't get me started on his immoral raid on our Pensions whilst creating a two tier Pension system for those Public Service workers, which people like me have to pay for twice in the private sector.

 

Oh & now he is doing a "Maggie" and sell off British Energy to EDF (owned 85% by the French Government) for £12.5 billion. So that like our other utilities owned by foreign companies the British taxpayer will have to pay over the odds for these resources whilst their nations are subsidied.

 

And you don't want to get me started on how he (& the Treasury) got his sums wrong with regard the net number of migrants (278,000 per year instead of 27,000) to arrive in the country for our infrastructure to cope. :angry:

 

Yeah, how f***ing prudent.

 

Their is more chance of me buying The Saturdays album, than me voting Labour at the next election (whom I've voted for all my life) if Bottler Brown is still in charge of the Labour party. I'd rather vote for the Old Etonian Tory boy than a Prime Minister whom as Chancellor has seen his policies completely unravel, because he was using a model that defied 70 years of Economics history, that has now unravelled.

 

 

People seem to forget that the world is in the grip of a severe financial crisis - whichever party is in power would bear the brunt of the backlash.

 

However, what makes it all the more ironic for Labour is that, love him or loathe him, Gordon Brown is undoubtedly the politician most well equipped to deal with recession. If not the only politician currently in the frame with any idea on what to do about it.

 

In total agreement with you Russ! Got an awful feeling though that 'moonface Cameron' will be our PM before too long. And my - how people (on a low income) will regret it!

 

Norma

:rolleyes:

 

Yes, like selling off 30% of Britain's Gold reserves at $175/oz, when they are currently worth $896/oz, therefore costing the British tax payer over £2.3 billion.

 

Or how about not putting any money aside when the times were good to reduce the budget deficit; which we (the taxpayer have to pay interest on). Ironically Gordon Brown was all very happy to make poverty history and write off third world debt (to the tune of £750 million per year). But no one is going to write off our debt that his governance is acruing.

 

.... And don't get me started on his immoral raid on our Pensions whilst creating a two tier Pension system for those Public Service workers, which people like me have to pay for twice in the private sector.

 

Oh & now he is doing a "Maggie" and sell off British Energy to EDF (owned 85% by the French Government) for £12.5 billion. So that like our other utilities owned by foreign companies the British taxpayer will have to pay over the odds for these resources whilst their nations are subsidied.

 

And you don't want to get me started on how he (& the Treasury) got his sums wrong with regard the net number of migrants (278,000 per year instead of 27,000) to arrive in the country for our infrastructure to cope. :angry:

 

Yeah, how f***ing prudent.

 

Their is more chance of me buying The Saturdays album, than me voting Labour at the next election (whom I've voted for all my life) if Bottler Brown is still in charge of the Labour party. I'd rather vote for the Old Etonian Tory boy than a Prime Minister whom as Chancellor has seen his policies completely unravel, because he was using a model that defied 70 years of Economics history, that has now unravelled.

Well, I cannot disagree with your points here, but I personally would trust Gordon Brown 100% more than David Cameron - the Conservatives just scare me!

Gordon Brown is the longest serving chancellor in history, and says he's a financial brainbox. However he has no formal financial qualifications, so how can he be an expert. He has a PHD in history!

 

While he was chancellor he was in charge when these city whiz kids were making lots of cash selling shares and getting huge bonuses, and what did he do...............He turned a blind eye.

 

Now all of a sudden after HBOS he says they are spivs and short selling will be banned and bonuses curtailed, a bit bloody late isn't it.

 

It worries me when people believe he is the best option, I think a new broom is what we need. Mind you the other option doesn't immediately fill me full of optimism.

 

If Brown was in control of the UK's finances, then US mortgages going down the pan wouldn't have been allowed to hurt us.

 

If he had been in control HBOS would not have double the amount of loans versus savings. Considering this bank would send you a letter if you went £5 over your overdraft limit. :angry: Hypocrites.

 

He likes to interfere in all aspects of our lives, "the Nanny state" but he allowed the banks to do as they please.

 

Do you trust him to fix things, cause sure as hell I don't.

 

 

i agree with russ, dispite tip's condemnation of brown , who else is there?... and we are at the mercy of world (american <_<) markets ... blair was very shrewd and got out just at the right time.

I'm no economics expert, but in all honesty, I don't really think there's anything the PM can do at this point to affect the impact of the financial crisis... it's too big of a monster. So, while I'm probably slightly to the left, I don't really approve of people trying to guilt-trip others into supporting Brown.

Anyway, new poll shows Labour having a strong post-Convention bounce, but are still 10 points behind. Electoral Calculus predicts that if the results were replicated in an election, the Tories would come out with an overall majority of 34, which does perhaps mean a hung parliament at the next election is suddenly a slight possibility. However, this is with the impact of Brown's speech still fresh, and with the Conservatives' conference still to come, so it remains to be seen how the polls will change... I've got this weird feeling the Tory conference will be a disaster though.

I have this wierd feeling that Labour will somehow bounceback. I'm not sure whether this is good or not or whether they will actually catch up the Torys. But in a time of economic crisis a Conservative goverment doesn't seem a very good option. :mellow: . The phone scandal thing hasn't really gave Lib Dems a look in either.

It worries me when people believe he is the best option, I think a new broom is what we need. Mind you the other option doesn't immediately fill me full of optimism.

 

Do people really think he's the best option though? Or do they actually just think he's the least bad? Let's face it, the other options are Cameron (do you really trust this guy any more than you'd trust Brown? He might say the right things but at the moment he has the easiest job in the world opposing Gordon Brown, it doesn't mean that's what he thinks and certainly doesn't mean it's what he'll do!) and Nick Clegg (do people even know what he looks like?).

Remember when Gordon first took over? He managed to withstand floods, terrorist attacks and blew the Tories out of the water, for sure he's now looking a long way back but as people have said a year is a long time in politics and with events very unpredictable at the moment then I wouldn't dare predict what may happen in the next election. If the economy were to pick up again then he may well be hailed as a hero - that's just the way things work. I personally don't see the strong holds of the North and into Scotland and Wales letting the Tories in any time soon.

To be honest Gordon Brown and David Cameron are both as bad as each other, they both seem to be clueless but than again I don't know nothing about politics, who else would do a better job anyhow, I bet no one wants it.

a year is a long time in politics and with events very unpredictable at the moment then I wouldn't dare predict what may happen in the next election.

That's true, but when a politician has lost respect, it's near impossible to get it back.

 

If the economy were to pick up again then he may well be hailed as a hero - that's just the way things work.

I'm not sure that's necessarily true, at all. "Black Wednesday" in 1992 totally ruined John Major and the public's trust in his economic skills. By 1997, the economy was in excellent shape, but the Tories still got destroyed at the election.

Besides, there is realistically little chance of the economy "picking up" in the next year and a half. We could possibly avoid a full-blown recession, but there will almost definitely still be economic uncertainty in spring 2010.

Edited September 28, 200816 yr by Danny

Do people really think he's the best option though? Or do they actually just think he's the least bad? Let's face it, the other options are Cameron (do you really trust this guy any more than you'd trust Brown? He might say the right things but at the moment he has the easiest job in the world opposing Gordon Brown, it doesn't mean that's what he thinks and certainly doesn't mean it's what he'll do!) and Nick Clegg (do people even know what he looks like?).

 

this is the salient point.... i think he is the 'least bad' option (brown) and if an election was called tomorrow i think the general public would still back him. people dont like him, but cameron?... nah, too schoolboyish and when you get the likes of peter hitchens rubbishing him you know hes on a loser.

 

nick clegg?...:lol:

in politics a month is a long time - never mind 2 years... So much can happen and be achieved that its probably not the Conservatives Gordan is most worried about right now but his own back benchers!