I apologize - it's been insinuated that I was racist for criticizing Diane Abbott before now, so now I tend to react in a similar way to situations that affect someone on my side. :blush:

 

I tried to post you an apology by PM too, but it said your inbox was full.

 

Your side being the Tories of course x Thanks for finally admitting it!

What has that got to do with Priti Patel?

 

Not much - I think the topic drifted.

 

What's your view on gay people, out of interest?

 

& has it always been the same?

 

I have no problem with gay people having the same rights as anyone else, and no, my attitude has changed in the 35+ years since I was a teen.

 

Your side being the Tories of course x Thanks for finally admitting it!

 

You see opposition to PC as inextricably linked to the Tories, then.

Not much - I think the topic drifted.

I have no problem with gay people having the same rights as anyone else, and no, my attitude has changed in the 35+ years since I was a teen.

You see opposition to PC as inextricably linked to the Tories, then.

 

 

And yet you said my side r.e people criticising a TORY. You got defensive, but you never get defensive when people criticise Labour. Ho hmmmm. Just look at your demeanour whrn Abbott or Corbyn are criticised. You don't come running in then!

 

Side note: one of the most insidious arguments put forward time and again was, "gay people have the same rights as anyone else - to marry a woman". By that logic, of course, expanding marriage just expanded EVERYONE'S rights. The arguments against equal marriage were terrible and so easily shut down!

Not much - I think the topic drifted.

Yes, I’m not really sure where your comments have spring out from. There was a clear change in reaction with this gaffe (which is significant as she references counter-terrorism instead of terrorism MULTIPLE times in the same clip without realising her mistake) and if the same gaffe had been done by Diane Abbott. Yes, of course she isn’t meaning that they’re actually trying to prevent counter-terrorism but why is there a difference in reaction. Why is it a simple mistake for one person but for the other it is suggested it is an example of incompetence and that they are unfit for the role.

 

That’s not about being PC, it’s about enquiring as to why there is a difference in reaction to a similar level of gaffe. How is it fair if we’re comparing politicians to different standards?

I have no problem with gay people having the same rights as anyone else, and no, my attitude has changed in the 35+ years since I was a teen.

 

So logically the PC-fication of culture affected the views you had when younger and helped you become more accepting, which is now something you stand by as a positive value.

 

So logically the PC-fication of culture affected the views you had when younger and helped you become more accepting, which is now something you stand by as a positive value.

 

That's due to experience, not exposure to PC.

Edited February 3, 20205 yr by vidcapper

Boris Johnson could SUSPEND European human rights laws to reverse automatic early release for terrorists as Labour's Shami Chakrabati and civil rights groups hint at legal challenge

 

New legislation would stop extremists being freed unless Parole Board agreed

Shami Chakrabarti said she would be opposed to 'changing sentences'

Civil liberties group Liberty called the move to keep terrorists locked up 'dangerous'

Meanwhile, government refused to rule out 'suspending' ECHR to facilitate move

Michael Gove said terrorists should be imprisoned indefinitely 'if necessary'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-79...sts-prison.html

It’s a fundamental principle of law that you do not change the law to increase sentences retrospectively.

And this is why I don’t read the daily Hitler. :rolleyes:

 

Also why I actually try and understand the story properly and not just look at it at face values.

 

 

Scotland ended automatic early release back in 2015. It’s got heehaw to do with the ECHR and no suspension of it is required. Why? Because unlike what the DH would have you believe, there is no change to the actual sentence of the person here, it’s just requiring that they actually serve the sentence they were given by the courts.

 

What is concerning is that they government seems to be trying to alter sentencing. I hope that is just DH bluff and bluster and the actual changes mirror what Scotland did under Scots Law. Changing sentencing guidelines going forward however is not a problem but a retrospective impact is just cruel

In hell freezing over news, the Sunday Telegraph are alleging that Boris Johnson is considering introducing a "mansion tax" on owners of expensive homes. In most other circumstances, I would laugh this off as ridiculous, but given that it's coming from a paper that Boris writes for, there could be some truth in it. I've said before that it's easier for the Tories to move left on economics than it is for Labour to move right on social issues, and if this happens, then it's the first evidence that it wasn't just manifesto puffery.

 

Interestingly, such a tax would disproportionally affect home-owners in London, an area that famously did not return many Tory MPs in the last election, which I imagine is just coincidence.

The UK government has decided to waste a bunch of money on more adverts. This time on forcing cinema goers in Scotland to sit through pro-union propaganda. Quite how it is legal for tax money to be spent on the Scottish Tory 2021 Holyrood election I don’t know

The UK government has decided to waste a bunch of money on more adverts. This time on forcing cinema goers in Scotland to sit through pro-union propaganda. Quite how it is legal for tax money to be spent on the Scottish Tory 2021 Holyrood election I don’t know

 

It seems counter-productive, as I suspect it'll just p1ss people off - even more than endless movie trailers...

It seems counter-productive, as I suspect it'll just p1ss people off - even more than endless movie trailers...

 

 

Yes, people who go often to the cinema will be fed up of seeing the ads.

In hell freezing over news, the Sunday Telegraph are alleging that Boris Johnson is considering introducing a "mansion tax" on owners of expensive homes. In most other circumstances, I would laugh this off as ridiculous, but given that it's coming from a paper that Boris writes for, there could be some truth in it. I've said before that it's easier for the Tories to move left on economics than it is for Labour to move right on social issues, and if this happens, then it's the first evidence that it wasn't just manifesto puffery.

 

Interestingly, such a tax would disproportionally affect home-owners in London, an area that famously did not return many Tory MPs in the last election, which I imagine is just coincidence.

Is this the same as the one I recall Milliband getting criticism for?

Is this the same as the one I recall Milliband getting criticism for?

 

Unless there’s some major changes from it, then yes. Great Realignment and all that.

 

I should note that I am as critical of the policy then as I am now, albeit not for the same reasons as others were critical of it.

@1227125778866937857

 

The government know the public will see this as people 'going back to their country' or 'getting what they deserve', and they'll continue to defy the courts and disregard the law until it doesn't matter anymore.

 

Absolutely vile. They have no morals or decency

Disgusting, reminders of nazi germany!

dead cat alert

Do you all realise that those deported were guilty of criminal offences such as manslaughter, rape and dealing Class a Drugs. None were British Citizens so it was right to deport them back to their own country.