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https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/art...s-of-prejudice/

 

Re antisemitism. Wouldya look at that, its more prevalent in rightwing parties. Who could have forseen that those who are generally more bigoted on a range of issues might also be bigoted on this one??

 

(Before y'all jump down my throat on the source its a paywall-free reprint of an Economist article, based on Ipsos Mori and YouGov research in the UK and US)

 

Importantly though we need to hold the reporting to account. NOT because I want to defend Labour, but because this research makes clear that incidents of antisemitism in other parties are not getting their due attention because *someone* wants to create a 'well both sides have their problems' narrative instead of focusing on challenging antisemitism everywhere to protect Jewish people from abuse and discrimination.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/no...d-over-lgbt-row

 

In two elections he raised Lab's voteshare from 33% to 77%, yet they are dropping him? :wacko:

 

So?

 

He sided with homophobic and transphobic protests against LGBTQ+ education and his contribution undermined the work of schools.

 

I'm glad there is no place in Labour for people who are unwilling to protect hard-won rights and inclusivity.

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Firstly, I'm Jewish, and I don't feel unsafe about the prospect of a Corbyn government.

 

I do think there is a subsection of Labour (and the left) that struggles with separating Judaism and Israel. Valid criticism of the Israeli government, of course, doesn't equate to antisemitism, but there are people that use Israel as an excuse for their antisemitic comments or views. Corbyn has validated those views, unintentionally or not. He should and could do more.

 

Antisemitism is on the rise around the world (both left and right) and to pin this all on Corbyn is unfair. It's disgusting to watch the issue being weaponised and exaggerated to drum up paranoia and fears amongst the Jewish community. Jews are understandably more aware and more sensitive when antisemitism is discussed. It's not for anyone to discredit their concerns, but the media has been ridiculously inept with how it has handled this.

 

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/art...s-of-prejudice/

 

Re antisemitism. Wouldya look at that, its more prevalent in rightwing parties. Who could have forseen that those who are generally more bigoted on a range of issues might also be bigoted on this one??

 

(Before y'all jump down my throat on the source its a paywall-free reprint of an Economist article, based on Ipsos Mori and YouGov research in the UK and US)

 

Importantly though we need to hold the reporting to account. NOT because I want to defend Labour, but because this research makes clear that incidents of antisemitism in other parties are not getting their due attention because *someone* wants to create a 'well both sides have their problems' narrative instead of focusing on challenging antisemitism everywhere to protect Jewish people from abuse and discrimination.

 

The right is held to a different standard — perhaps because it has become normalised to expect them to have bigoted views, or the media bias.

 

I wish more focus was on how antisemitism is rising, as well as islamophobia, and how the parties have issues with validating these views instead of combating them. Focusing so much purely on Corbyn or Johnson overshadows the genuine issues. It's also hard not to notice the difference in how islamophobia is being covered.

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It is absolutely wrong that the right having bigoted views is just treated as standard, they should be hounded just as much if not more so than the anti-semitic elements within Labour are.

 

The whole debacle strikes me as having been initially conceived, before it took on a self-renewing life of its own, by a group of right wingers (read: media) weaponising the fact that the left and the centre find racism appalling and cannot let it stand, letting them find evidence that their own party has been engaging in it and destroy it by encouraging purity tests, a simple attack line to use against them that surely no reasonable person could disagree with. And of course, the elements that do show anti-semitism need to be removed. From all parties.

 

I wish more focus was on how antisemitism is rising, as well as islamophobia, and how the parties have issues with validating these views instead of combating them. Focusing so much purely on Corbyn or Johnson overshadows the genuine issues. It's also hard not to notice the difference in how islamophobia is being covered.

 

Quite. There are some very disturbing groups that are normalising anti-semitism and islamophobia in the American online right and some of that is no doubt spreading to our own right elements. Which may be the reason for it. But while Labour need to clean house and I do wish Corbyn had taken a firmer stance from the start (someone tell me if he did and the media ignored it because that wouldn't surprise me either), the Tories and the Brexit Party and the whole right need an entire detox.

 

Very pleased that that homophobic MP isn't standing. It's a fragility of the left movement that we do require purity, but in the long run it's better for us all.

So?

 

He sided with homophobic and transphobic protests against LGBTQ+ education and his contribution undermined the work of schools.

 

I'm glad there is no place in Labour for people who are unwilling to protect hard-won rights and inclusivity.

 

Wonder whether he will be re-elected as Ind.Lab, though?

Anyone seen the photo of Corbyn circulating on public transport v Bojo the clown and his massive security presence plus chauffeured cars?
Anyone seen the photo of Corbyn circulating on public transport v Bojo the clown and his massive security presence plus chauffeured cars?

 

He's the PM, FFS!

 

If Labour win the election you can bet Corbyn won't be allowed to travel by bus!

Has Bojo ever travelled by bus? Ever? ;)

 

What does it matter if he has or not? :huh:

He's an extremely out of touch aristocratic elite trying to pretend to be tim nice but dim against the elite, of which he is a part.

According to The Sun private shock Labour party polling shows that Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry is set to lose her seat.

She is trailing the LibDem candidate significantly. Labour will pour more activists in to the constituency in coming weeks.

 

A senior Labour source said local internal polling conducted by the party found that Mr Corbyn’s chaotic Brexit policy has led the constituency’s voters to switch to the Lib Dems due to their unequivocal pledge to reverse the 2016 referendum result.

 

The insider said her constituency is now listed as one of their ‘at-risk’ seats in London which they need to be holding to have any chance of even being the largest party.

 

 

 

I don't really believe this as I'm sure she has a big majority.

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According to The Sun Private Labour party polling shows that Shadow Foreign Secretary Thornberry is set to lose her seat.

She is trailing the LibDem candidate significantly. Labour will pour more activists in to the constituency in coming weeks.

I don't really believe this as she has a big majority.

 

A *huge* majority in fact...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_Sou...t_constituency)

Islington S was a Lib Dem target in the 80s and 90s.

 

But they were a distant 3rd last time, so it will surely be difficult to persuade Labour supporters to vote tactically.

But they were a distant 3rd last time, so it will surely be difficult to persuade Labour supporters to vote tactically.

That doesn’t invalidate the fact that they were a strong second as recently as 2010.

That doesn’t invalidate the fact that they were a strong second as recently as 2010.

 

So? The necessary 25% swing is hardly likely, especially as the 2nd placed Tories voters are unlikely to cooperate to the extent needed. Plus, Labour always prevailed, even when the result was close.

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So? The necessary 25% swing is hardly likely, especially as the 2nd placed Tories voters are unlikely to cooperate to the extent needed. Plus, Labour always prevailed, even when the result was close.

The seat voted 72% Remain. That, and the fact that they last got over 25% of the vote (just) in 1983, means the Tories can safely be written off. The fact that the Lib Dems had consistently been competitive for a long time up to 2010 means that there are still a lot of people used to voting Lib Dem. They are likely to be easier to win over than people who have never even considered voting for the party. That, of course, doesn't mean they will win. It does, though, mean that the possibility shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Islington South and Finsbury is my constituency. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lib Dems take it - I wouldn't rule out a large swing % for the Lib Dems regardless if they win it or not. There's been a lot more visibility/campaiging from the Lib Dems in and around London in general. They did especially well in the European elections, so I wouldn't be surprised if that translates into the general election. I'm not a big fan of Emily and would like to see the Lib Dems with a few more MPs in parliament.
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