I understand a Labour legal advisor thinks it is not illegal to nationalise. Even if it were that's the sort of crucial topic that should be discussed up front to get clarity.

 

Besides which, Councils get round legislation all the time. Frinstance the disaster that is Right To Buy. Brand new homes just built by Councils state of the art at huge expense in Bournemouth are already being bought up by poor poor disadvantaged families scraping together the 150-200k together by going to food banks and scrimping and saving for 12 months (when they moved in).

 

So, the Council has set up it's own "private firm" of housing. Council staff, doing the jobs they have always done, but under a nice new banner for the vans. New housing is bought and then "leased out" to the company, who lease out to homeless. Net result: not subject to Right To Buy.

 

Clearly EU state-owned firms operate in much the same way as they can BUY UK COMPANIES AND BID FOR BUSINESS.

 

 

...and back to Corbyn. Remember all those criticisms about Blair stage-handling conferences and making sure there is no dissent amongst Labour members?

 

Most important topic facing the future of the UK? Nah, doesn't exist.

 

Criticising Tories for being unprepared? Who, exactly, swished Article 50 through rather late in the day with no attempt to change it, or point out the gov was acting illegally? Who wanted to trigger Article 50 the next day with NO PREPARATION.

 

What. An. Effing. Hypocrite.

KEISHA HAS GONE, I HEAR!!

 

No, not just kicked out the band in 2010, but also oot of Scottish labour!

She stepped down as leader quite a while back, unless you claim she's left Labour completely?

FIRST I HEARD OF IT!!

 

YASS!!

 

With a move to the left in Scotland, Labour can win outright.

Yeah she went a while ago. She was awful, but by far the most competent part of SLAB. Party north of the border is an utter disgrace.

They need to give it a COMPLETE overhaul.

KEISHA HAS GONE, I HEAR!!

 

No, not just kicked out the band in 2010, but also oot of Scottish labour!

I can't find a source for this.

She's still sitting in Holyrood for the party.

Yeah she went a while ago. She was awful, but by far the most competent part of SLAB. Party north of the border is an utter disgrace.

Out of interest, who would you be more concerned about of the two leadership candidates?

Out of interest, who would you be more concerned about of the two leadership candidates?

Well that’s really the crux of my issue. Niether are particularly suitable. Having seen Sarwar in action, he’s nothing but a points scoring hypocrite who fundamentally misunderstands the 2014 vote and is devoid of actual policies. I can’t see him even restoring Labour to 2nd at Holyrood. Leonard on the other hand is woefully untested and you feel like he’s not really that serious about it. I’m sure that policy-wise he’d be more suitable than Sarwar but I don’t have confidence he’d survive the toxic party behind him. Especially when it appears his support is TU based rather than MP/MSP/MEP based. SLAB can Ill afford a set of toxic undermining and backstabbing like Corbyn went through.

 

They’ve been outflanked to the left by the SNP and the Greens (even though we all know the SNP is further left on paper than in reality, they’re still quite a bit to the left of the almost centre right leaning SLAB) and there’s no one with both the policies and substance to go toe to toe with Harvey and Sturgeon in the same policy area and win

From what I've seen over the last year or so, Scottish Labour has very much been attempting to outflank the SNP from the left - including the income tax proposals. That seemed like a conscious move from Kez to try and bring the party at least partially in step with Corbyn, and as an outside observer I'd assume there was room for a party to the left of the SNP economically to make headway.

They need a socialist in chargeand not one of these two flakes!!

I'll hold off on taking advice from someone who didn't even know the previous leader had been gone for weeks.

From what I've seen over the last year or so, Scottish Labour has very much been attempting to outflank the SNP from the left - including the income tax proposals. That seemed like a conscious move from Kez to try and bring the party at least partially in step with Corbyn, and as an outside observer I'd assume there was room for a party to the left of the SNP economically to make headway.

On income tax then yes SLAB were to the left of the SNP but Greens had them both beat. But on a lot of social issues the SLAB proposals were way off base. That they did so well in 2017 is more a reflection on Corbyn. I know this is anecdotal, but I do know a number of returnees to Labour in 2017 from the SNP and it was based on the national manifesto. Barely anyone even knew Kez and pals were doing anything with a Scottish manifesto. So I think whenever the next GE is, it'll be good for Labour in Scotland but they'll struggle at Holyrood without Corbyn.

 

You're very right, there is plenty of room to the left of the SNP. You can really see that in the advances that the Green's made at Holyrood. There very much is the space out there, but in my opinion there's no chance in hell Anas Sarwar goes for it. It'd be a massive vote winner. A properly Social Democratic platform would play really well in Scotland.

 

I must admit that since the GE I've back off a lot from Scottish politics. Ruth & Kez & their respective parties had made it so toxic and unpleasant. No way would I have voted SLAB in this GE, but I had no major qualms backing them down here.

I never thought that Michelle McManus would ever get a mention in this board, but Sheffield Hallam MP Jared O'Mera has been made to apologize for remarks he made on the Drowned In Sound forum back in 2004, saying among other things that Michelle McManus only won Pop Idol because she was fat.

 

This is why I could never run for political office - I'm sure some of the things I've said on Buzzjack could be easily used against me at some point if I ever ran for parliament.

I never thought that Michelle McManus would ever get a mention in this board, but Sheffield Hallam MP Jared O'Mera has been made to apologize for remarks he made on the Drowned In Sound forum back in 2004, saying among other things that Michelle McManus only won Pop Idol because she was fat.

 

This is why I could never run for political office - I'm sure some of the things I've said on Buzzjack could be easily used against me at some point if I ever ran for parliament.

Michelle is actually an SNP member who sang at an Independence rally. Political queen!

Michelle is actually an SNP member who sang at an Independence rally. Political queen!

No wonder they lost :lol:

No wonder they lost :lol:

More likely the reason we won 56 seats in 2015 *.*

Got to play fair in politics and criticise all sides. So, what would the Labour Party activists be prepared to do to get rid of the much-loathed Nick Clegg?

 

Put up a homophobic, misogynistic piss-head without doing any character-checks on-line or associates whatsoever, apparently. With MP's of that calibre, perhaps that qualifies as local-bullshit overtaking detailed credibility. Still, keeps the Momentum going, eh?

 

Yes I know it's a week late, but still worth mulling over...