That’s the thing. Labour have always been abstainers on so many issues, I don’t know why it’s only bothering people now.

That’s the thing. Labour have always been abstainers on so many issues, I don’t know why it’s only bothering people now.

 

The bill is horrible, but we still have the Corbyn brigade who are anti-everything and this mentality is still drilled within the party. I don't agree with the bill, but throwing mud at Starmer is not the problem and is a hangover of the Labour culture. The Tories have a strong majority so unfortunately they can do as they please after the previous leadership walked in to the last election.

I live in NI and this leaves a bad taste in the mouth so any soldier that commits a crime in service cannot be held to account after 5 years. I actually think the court proceedings over the past 20 years against British soldiers atrocities during the Trouble’s was a huge reason why the tories were pushing this.

 

In terms of labour politics I think Starmer is trying to argue that the need to show the old red wall seats that they stick up for Britain and are strong on law and order is important to getting elected during the next election and he convinced a number of the Labour left that doing this would reap rewards as they could change this only by achieving power in 2024.

 

Albeit it wasnt just the SCG who broke with the leadership but also some of the soft left linked to Unite but at the same time it’s telling that 34 out of 49 potential rebels were from the 2019 intake that stood as a result of momentum’s campaign to get leftist candidates. But Starmer convinces some to stick with the whip as 34 rebelled down from 45-50 at the start of the week.

 

Possibly, but if so, why not support it? As they abstained, the Tories still get to put out anti-Labour ads saying that they won't stand up for security issues, which will be all the average voter in the red wall sees if they hear about this.

 

And if it eventually comes crashing down, the Labour party now can't say that such legislation would never happen under a Labour government, as they agree with putting the bill into law, just disagree on some minor details.

 

2020: Starmer whips Labour party to abstain against a landslide Tory majority. Boooo!

2017: Corbyn whips Labour party to support Tory government (which was without a majority) in the most significant vote of our lifetime. which will affect me for the rest of my life. Yeaaahh!

 

Was never a fan of Corbyn's position on Brexit but (I believe that's just the Article 50 vote) that would have really made Labour look anti-democratic so soon after the vote. There's a logic there that I don't follow for the same here.

 

Even with the weak position Labour are in, there are still moves you can make that don't look divisive, like allowing your front-bench to vote with their conscience on a bill that will likely come back to bite those who voted for it later. Sacking them over it makes this stand out.

 

The amendments they tried were fine and reasonable. I don't have a problem with that. But then after that, you need to say that the outcome, Tories not being reasonable and not doing bipartisan working with you, that that is not acceptable and show that it isn't acceptable, not weaken your front bench of talent further because they can see the bill isn't acceptable.

Possibly, but if so, why not support it? As they abstained, the Tories still get to put out anti-Labour ads saying that they won't stand up for security issues, which will be all the average voter in the red wall sees if they hear about this.

 

And if it eventually comes crashing down, the Labour party now can't say that such legislation would never happen under a Labour government, as they agree with putting the bill into law, just disagree on some minor details.

Was never a fan of Corbyn's position on Brexit but (I believe that's just the Article 50 vote) that would have really made Labour look anti-democratic so soon after the vote. There's a logic there that I don't follow for the same here.

 

Even with the weak position Labour are in, there are still moves you can make that don't look divisive, like allowing your front-bench to vote with their conscience on a bill that will likely come back to bite those who voted for it later. Sacking them over it makes this stand out.

 

The amendments they tried were fine and reasonable. I don't have a problem with that. But then after that, you need to say that the outcome, Tories not being reasonable and not doing bipartisan working with you, that that is not acceptable and show that it isn't acceptable, not weaken your front bench of talent further because they can see the bill isn't acceptable.

 

But the point is, Labour don't have a majority so whether they abstain or vote against, it ultimately doesn't matter. Labour clearly disagree with the bill on the whole. However who knows what game Labour are playing here, there's the short-termism then there is also the longer term strategy which Labour want to work with the Tories. And who knows what level of discipline Starmer wants to instigate in the Party. It clearly needs to do something differently regardless, or what has happened for the past 5 years has not resulted in seats both at a local or national level.

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Who is the snowflake now?

 

Jesus the Conservatives are absolute MELTS of the highest order.

It's definitely a distraction tactic. They're never one to miss an opportunity and jar it open, no matter how small! Especially the terrible week they've had.

Apparently Nicky Morgan was on GAMMONtime suggesting that the reason that the Conservatives voted against the continuation of free school meals over the half-term break was because of Rayner's (IMO quite acccurate) comment.

 

I mean...

On the one hand, Angela Rayner calling an MP who voted to let children starve 'scum'.

 

On the other, an entire government voting to let children starve. Apparently because the free school meal vouchers are funding the crack cocaine industry, thanks for that take Ben Bradley.

On the other, an entire government voting to let children starve. Apparently because the free school meal vouchers are funding the crack cocaine industry, thanks for that take Ben Bradley.

 

Ben Bradley: The man who said that the unemployed should get vasectomies.

 

It's like Toby Young syndrome. Get given the ugly gene and then proceed to take it out on the rest of the world for the rest of your life. : (

The Tories are inhumane c***s, and you're not that much better if you willingly vote for them after this.

Ben Bradley is horrific, but not even a recent MP as he was first elected in 2017 and now has a huge majority, Mansfield is unbeleivably Brexit. The 7 tories that make up the whole of Nottinghamshire are all a pretty shocking really, Jenrick obviously being the most notable of them and the Ashfield/Broxtowe ones have made the occasional tit of themselves, the former notably so in his election campaigning getting caught getting his mate to pretend to be a supportive member of the public. I've always thought my own Johnson bootlicker is the answer the question "what would happen if you made Jacob Rees Mogg look more like Postman Pat?"

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Ben Bradley is horrific, but not even a recent MP as he was first elected in 2017 and now has a huge majority, Mansfield is unbeleivably Brexit. The 7 tories that make up the whole of Nottinghamshire are all a pretty shocking really, Jenrick obviously being the most notable of them and the Ashfield/Broxtowe ones have made the occasional tit of themselves, the former notably so in his election campaigning getting caught getting his mate to pretend to be a supportive member of the public. I've always thought my own Johnson bootlicker is the answer the question "what would happen if you made Jacob Rees Mogg look more like Postman Pat?"

 

At least when labour build another coalition to win an election people like him will be out soon enough. Well you’d think unless labour take the liberal cities and the south and the tories embed themselves in the north and old labour right seats. Absolutely mental how the tories destroyed these said areas in the 80s and they’ve convinced the same areas that it’s the eus fault there’s no decent jobs in the area!

The problem with the Tories right now is there are probably half of their MPs voted in on their ideology alone. Honestly they are doing their worst possible to lose their 80 seat majority in 2024. Ben Bradley is an utter kunt, I can't believe they are still peddling the line. Yes of course some people will abuse the system, but look how many people abused the furlough scheme? or their MP expenses? Just utter twats. The cost is absolutely minimal and I honestly just cannot believe how bad they are with their PR right now.

I mean he doesn’t even see the irony of him getting his subsidised three course lunches or dinners when in Westminster - just hatred of poor and desperate people it’s as simple as that and their only answer is “the only way out of poverty is to work” - bollocks to that and the minimum wage call centre jobs

Labour vote DOWN motion to extend Free School Meals in Wales.

 

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Dead party.

Pretty bad look there!

Wait wot. Surely this is something Labour should overwhelmingly support.

 

They have form for this though. In 2014 the far northern branch office voted against proposals for universal free school meals at Holyrood for kids in P1-3 even tho they had agreed previously and had spoken previously in parli about the benefits of doing this (even tho they didn’t when in charge but immediately started on about how it would lift poverty in 2007 after they were booted from power.....)

 

 

Absolutely useless party at all levels

I think Labour’s days in Wales are numbered. They have been shambolic about the pandemic of late and this isn’t going to help them at all.

I think Labour’s days in Wales are numbered. They have been shambolic about the pandemic of late and this isn’t going to help them at all.

 

South Wales I noticed was one of areas in dark blue on the map in yesterday's Prime Minister conference, presumably meaning high cases. Not that it means Labour or any political party is responsible for that of course, probably more just the usual rule breaking by a minority of people :( .