June 11, 20187 yr Adam is almost 40 and releasing the same old tired crap yet can somehow still manage to get some hits. Imagine if he was a female popstar.
June 11, 20187 yr Adam is popular cos of The Voice, thats why he's been so popular in recent years I see M5 as track 1 on Todays top hits and I'm not living in the US ;)
June 11, 20187 yr It'd actually be preferable if they pushed that Marley cover instead of this monotonous shite :puke:
June 11, 20187 yr What I’m saying is is that ‘Today’s Top Hits’ is America’s equivalent to ‘Hot Hits UK’ which isn’t promoted in the UK.
June 11, 20187 yr Adam is almost 40 and releasing the same old tired crap yet can somehow still manage to get some hits. Imagine if he was a female popstar. Such a lazy dig to make. I may not like the direction M5 have gone in and I certainly don’t like this piss poor song but can you blame them for going after lazy hits? When they were making great tunes in their own style like Misery and Never Gonna Leave This Bed, they were shunned and labelled over. Adam having a penis made very little difference back then. They broke lucky with MLJ and have smartly capitalised on it ever since.
June 12, 20187 yr Such a lazy dig to make. I may not like the direction M5 have gone in and I certainly don’t like this piss poor song but can you blame them for going after lazy hits? When they were making great tunes in their own style like Misery and Never Gonna Leave This Bed, they were shunned and labelled over. Adam having a penis made very little difference back then. They broke lucky with MLJ and have smartly capitalised on it ever since. I don't think it's lazy to say women of a similar age, with similarly lengthy careers, would struggle to maintain a string of hits like Maroon 5. It's not like the women on The Voice haven't also been releasing chart-friendly music over the years and watching it do nothing. Edited June 12, 20187 yr by blacksquare
June 12, 20187 yr I don't think it's lazy to say women of a similar age, with similarly lengthy careers, would struggle to maintain a string of hits like Maroon 5. It's not like the women on The Voice haven't also been releasing chart-friendly music over the years and watching it do nothing. Pink is nearing 40 and still slaying
June 12, 20187 yr Pink is nearing 40 and still slaying This. And Beyoncé is only a few years younger and also slaying. These two are always conveniently forgotten when people want to project sexism on to everything. Speaking of which, isn’t Justin Timberlake approaching 40 and flopping?
June 12, 20187 yr That has more to do with his music being severely shit than the fact that he is old
June 12, 20187 yr That has more to do with his music being severely shit than the fact that he is old But that’s the point I’m trying to make, I don’t think people are that turned off by age and gender. Maroon 5 are clearly providing something people are still interested in. To say they’re only successful at their age because they’re men is really demeaning. Not only to them, but to the general public. To say Maroon 5 get success because they’re male and the industry is sexist suggests that people have no minds of their own and are brainwashed. When in reality, they just have a different opinion.
June 12, 20187 yr But that’s the point I’m trying to make, I don’t think people are that turned off by age and gender. Maroon 5 are clearly providing something people are still interested in. To say they’re only successful at their age because they’re men is really demeaning. Not only to them, but to the general public. To say Maroon 5 get success because they’re male and the industry is sexist suggests that people have no minds of their own and are brainwashed. When in reality, they just have a different opinion. It's not JUST because of their gender - but it is less of an issue for men. My point was most women with similar careers, similar ages, wouldn't be able to throw out basic bops and be top 5 on Billboard in their second week. Even with a Cardi B feature. They would barely be played on radio. Justin got playlisted. Filthy wasn't exactly Can't Stop the Feeling though, was it? His material was the problem (and generally being a bit problematic), not his age. He could easily bounce back tomorrow with a Max Martin song or something like Girls Like You. It's funny when people try and pretend ageism and sexism don't exist in the music industry. Pink and Beyoncé are an exception, we all know that. I would say a lot of people were actually surprised Pink managed to get a hit this era. Even her team were telling her to soften her expectations because of her age.
June 12, 20187 yr It's not JUST because of their gender - but it is less of an issue for men. My point was most women with similar careers, similar ages, wouldn't be able to throw out basic bops and be top 5 on Billboard in their second week. Even with a Cardi B feature. They would barely be played on radio. Justin got playlisted. Filthy wasn't exactly Can't Stop the Feeling though, was it? His material was the problem (and generally being a bit problematic), not his age. He could easily bounce back tomorrow with a Max Martin song or something like Girls Like You. It's funny when people try and pretend ageism and sexism don't exist in the music industry. Pink and Beyoncé are an exception, we all know that. I would say a lot of people were actually surprised Pink managed to get a hit this era. Even her team were telling her to soften her expectations because of her age. But Maroon 5 have already been through a point of not being playlisted. They came through it with luck. Have a look at all the bands that came out the same time as them, consisting of men, and they’re not getting hit after hit in this day and age. Maroon 5 went further basic to remain popular, it was a marketing ploy on their behalf. They worked on that the same way Pink and Beyoncé work on their craft to remain relevant. No one’s pretending that ageism and sexism don’t exist in the industry (thanks for the passive aggressive condescending comment tho) but to lump that at Maroon 5’s door, denounce their efforts and claim they’re only still popular because of what’s between their legs is an absolute insult. As it also is to assume the public don’t have minds of their own. It belittles the success of the artists who may sound basic, but have actually worked to hone a sound to keep them popular. I’ve grown up in a world where Madonna, Cher, Kylie and JLo have all had big hits past 40 and I anticipate that Pink and Beyoncé will continue to get AirPlay when that time comes for them. I’ve also seen these artists struggle with eras at much younger ages than that. It’s unlikely you’ll ever be eternally popular unless you work for that reason. Maroon 5 do that, and should not have their achievements diminished because of their gender.
June 12, 20187 yr They're such a shit excuse for a 'band' these days, it might as well just be Adam on his own :lol: 'Girls Like You' is shit too. 100% agree with this And with blacksquare's comment. Point me to a band of women in their late 30s-early 40s or a band with a woman in it of that age still getting easy top 10 and top 5 singles hits please.
June 12, 20187 yr 100% agree with this And with blacksquare's comment. Point me to a band of women in their late 30s-early 40s or a band with a woman in it of that age still getting easy top 10 and top 5 singles hits please. Point to me a successful group of women who still perform together in their late 30s/early 40s? I’d give you All Saints but you have to account for long breaks and changing music scene. Might I just point out that Maroon 5 haven’t had a UK top 10 since Don’t Wanna Know and their album tanked? This song has been given a rent a rapper to save the era-if it’s working, then we’ll done. They’ve absolutely not just had it easy because they are men. It’s all well and good to discuss ageism and sexism but this situation doesn’t even lend itself to that debate.
June 12, 20187 yr Different scene in the UK and US. US is much more ageist I would say too. Try seeing a woman over a certain age at all on TV there or a human at all that doesn't look like a supermodel unless their entire characteristic is being ugly or a funny fat person, or it being a joke that they can be not good looking and somehow also cool. Obviously just like Beyonce - literally the biggest female artist in the country bar Adele - there are notable exceptions, but the trend leans HEAVILY in one direction. I would argue that just because you like a band there's no point suggesting that biases towards people like them shouldn't be brought up. Many of the bands that I'm a fan of that are still successful - Red Hot Chili Peppers, U2, etc. I have no illusions about the fact that they are male is incredibly helpful for them to remain successful. Because there's no social image negative about older men (excluding ofc extremes like Cosby etc.). Young men are cute and cool, and older men are respectable and cool, or cool because they refuse to become respectable. There's no such image for older women, whether that's in film, or tv, or music. Women's appeal is still tied to youth and beauty and not-aging. So of course it's harder, because that image is going against nature, we do age, it's human. I kinda feel that your point also supports my point. Yes, where are the women still performing and trying to make it in their 30s and 40s? Does the huge lack of them perhaps suggest that the industry hasn't smiled on them and hasn't been willing to still pour big budgets into giving them hit singles? Male bands are seen as a banker where female bands aren't. Nowadays, anyway. I don't think it's taboo to accept that instead of putting our heads in the sand and shrugging. It doesn't diminish their success but it is pretty important context for it. This video's also a pretty obvious case of spending money to make money, just saying.
June 12, 20187 yr My argument was against Maroon 5s success coming easy because they’re men. Success has not come easy for them and their desperation for it has ultimately costed them their integrity and who they were as artists. The implication in that initial post was that they are where they are because of their gender and I’ve challenged that. I do t even like their latest material but I will call out flippant derogatory comments that undermine the efforts of artists.
June 13, 20187 yr agree with T B, I think they're popular cos Adam's been on the Voice for ages and that keeps him in people's minds + he's releasing trendy easy songs, not cos he's a man, Alicia or Kelly or Gwen haven't benefitted from the Voice cos their latest material is less good and less chart-frienly + they're not the stars of the voice, adam is
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