August 29, 20187 yr ^ Re: Effective means of Measuring current chart Maybe OCC should going to set up another chart that measured according to the greatest growth achieved on the songs but that's for another time.
August 29, 20187 yr 21 Marshmello & Bastille - Happier 22 David Guetta feat. Anne-Marie - Don't Leave Me Alone OMG YES!!! Where's Chainsmokers tho? Nicki is safe on this week T10?
August 30, 20187 yr the little mix single with cheat codes it's bit a missed opportunity, it's a pity they didn't go with a better single with a better dance act, I don't mind cheat codes but tehre are more talented poeple out there, and the song is average, a 5/10, but it's not a masterpiece I'm actually surprised the girls said yes to this and didn't pass It's such a lazy effort tbh. No promo, average song, lame video etc etc... Can you imagine Little Mix's vocals on a Calvin Harris production? It would have been an easy #1 hit .
August 30, 20187 yr I think they should use a cap instead of acr, that would make songs drop more gradually and eventually disappear from the charts, sure no one is streaming shape of you for the first time this week the occ should also do something about a cap in album streams, wonder where the greatest showman album would be if there was a cap
August 30, 20187 yr calvin should release the video x pormises t secure the #1 he's doing more than double on itunes, ahead on spotify and apple shotgun is only ahead on YT
August 30, 20187 yr OMG YES!!! Where's Chainsmokers tho? Nicki is safe on this week T10? Top 50 I think she should keep #10.
August 30, 20187 yr I expect Mantra to miss out on the top 40 but where is it going to finish? Top 60 (currently top 55)
August 30, 20187 yr With ACR I just think 10 weeks is not long enough. I feel like a lot of songs get put to ACR just as they're hitting or they've hit new peaks. I also don't like the steep drop off. I'd say one of two ways they could possibly try.. 01. Don't pick up the.. Extend it to 15 weeks or something before putting a song on ACR. Or 02. Gradually decrease the ACR ratio. Instead of going straight to 300:1 or whatever it is currently after 10 weeks, make it 200:1 for 3 weeks but if they increase popularity or sales within those 3 weeks then they avoid ACR until they hit 3 weeks of declining sales which then gets them to 300:1/whatever it currently is.
August 30, 20187 yr With ACR I just think 10 weeks is not long enough. I feel like a lot of songs gets put to ACR just as they're hitting or they've hit new peaks. I also don't like the steep drop off. I'd say one of two ways they could possibly try.. 01. Don't pick up the.. Extend it to 15 weeks or something before putting a song on ACR. Or 02. Gradually decrease the ACR ratio. Instead of going straight to 300:1 or whatever it is currently after 10 weeks, make it 200:1 for 3 weeks but if they increase popularity or sales within those 3 weeks then they avoid ACR until they hit 3 weeks of declining sales which then gets them to 300:1/whatever it currently is. This was more or less my proposal. [...] it causes a lot of very unnatural chart runs when streaming is suddenly halved. I wonder if it would be any better if they just went through stages of ACR, like initially a quarter of the streams are taken off or something, and then another week of decline puts it on half? Maybe that would help break the fall. I think if songs go through two different stages of ACR it would make things look a lot better.
August 30, 20187 yr I agree on gradual increments but I think it should go as far as 500:1 which would clear us of the likes of Shape Of You and Despacito. Edited August 30, 20187 yr by Hans
August 30, 20187 yr I'm a bit worried that ACR is going to hamper Freya Ridings' potential with Lost Without You at some point. She's already been on the chart for a few weeks, I'm just hoping it doesn't get to 10 with three weeks of sales decline at some point when someone inevitably comes to perform it on X Factor or whatever which could be what it needs to turn it into a much bigger hit. I wouldn't mind a sales increase of 25% being enough to take a song back off ACR, that's still high enough that it's unlikely to happen without some big push, but would probably help songs with a TV show boost, which I guess might grow 20-40% off the back of a big performance if they are already hovering around the low end of the chart. Same with Boo'd Up actually, could really imagine some R&B leaning act performing that on XF, but it's got to be sailing dangerously close to ACR by this point with little hope of recovering. Edited August 30, 20187 yr by gooddelta
August 30, 20187 yr 'Boo'd Up' is indeed set to be on ACR next week (it is declining this week and has done for the past 2 weeks). I think it could easily record a 50% sales boost if used prominently on X Factor though considering how low in the chart it is, similarly to how Tom Walker managed to instantly recover from ACR when 'Leave A Light On' was used in an advert.
August 30, 20187 yr Where's Thunderclouds - near top 40? Although I guess hindered by being low on streaming
August 30, 20187 yr Where's Thunderclouds - near top 40? Although I guess hindered by being low on streaming It's slowly getting there on Spotify, it was at #91 yesterday. Also, the video is being released today, which should give it a nice boost.
August 30, 20187 yr Where's Thunderclouds - near top 40? Although I guess hindered by being low on streaming Top 50.
August 30, 20187 yr Personally, though getting rid of the sharp drops is appealing, I feel staggered ACR would be worse. ACR being all-or-nothing at least makes it relatively easy to tell when a song falls to ACR, and to compare off-ACR songs or even on-ACR songs on even playing fields. If there were many different tiers and smooth transitions, I think that would make the objective, non-arbitrary reality (the figures at a consistent ratio) indistinguishable to the point the chart would be hard to take seriously as more than 'a rough list of hot songs right now'. Kind of like making a fanfiction personal chart where chart runs are engineered for songs to drop a certain amount each week, which may be fun but holds no meaning. I feel they'd be better off creating 2 separate charts: a comprehensive chart without ACR for accuracy, and something like a 'Hot 100' (no relation to Billboard) for promotional purposes, the chart show and so on, where they can liberally kill off old songs and prioritise recent releases. I know it's most practical to have a One True Chart and thus I don't see it happening, but right now, the chart tries to satisfy both sides and doesn't do a good job at either. Realistically, if ACR were to be adjusted, I'd like to see something instated to stop songs like 'Breathe', 'Lullaby', 'Feel It Still' and even 'Shotgun' dodging ACR for ages while others get routinely killed after barely 9 weeks (and indeed barely peaking in some cases; 'Thunder' in particular comes to mind). Not that I think the current #1 should be on ACR, but if 'God's Plan' and 'One Kiss' have to, then it should too. I'd also like to see it be changed from halving streaming to halving combined units; it probably wouldn't make much difference, but upholding special priority for sales in 2018 feels like trying to prevent the charts from being filled by ~scary rap music~ to remain palatable to people who are no longer into current music anyway.
August 30, 20187 yr Here for the Shotgun vs. Paradise discussion! I like them both and I’m pleased for the success George is getting. I can see why Shotgun has become the bigger hit and think it’s more singable, but they’re both distinctive pop songs. Still think of Budapest as his signature tune, though it takes time to judge these things... As for ACR, I don’t love it but can see what it’s there for and it’s reasonably effective - who really wants to go back to 2016 levels of slowness? It’s arbitrary and unpretty for sure (e.g. an increase or decrease in sales of 1 copy can add or take several weeks from a song’s run in the top 10) but lines need to be drawn somewhere. Unless there’s an effective means of measuring discovery through streaming rather than repeated listening, I’d prefer the OCC stick with the current ratios rather than regularly changing them, so that we have a more level playing field to compare runs at #1 etc. I wish the OCC were more transparent about ACR and which songs are on it, though. I don’t see what would be achieved by automatically removing the 4-5 songs which have been on the chart for over a year. They’re still being consumed so should be there. I don’t like songs being made ineligible - didn’t like the 2006 physical deletion rules, and not a fan of the current 3 songs per artist/OST rule either (can see what it’s there for but think there are better ways of achieving it) - but most of all, I want the charts to reflect longevity when songs achieve it. It's the double-counting that annoys many of us, including me. Streaming of a song should not count towards both the singles and albums chart. After all, sales only ever contributed to one chart. Any attempt to assign streams to one chart or the other will, of necessity, be a little arbitrary, but it would stop the singles chart being flooded by songs from one artist as a result of people streaming the album.
August 30, 20187 yr Here's my ACR proposals If a record peaks on SCR in the week it is due to enter ACR then SCR gets extended for at least another 10 weeks. If a record effected by the three year SCR rule peaks higher than on SCR than its original run then ACR is lifted for at least 10 weeks afterwards. Edited August 30, 20187 yr by zenon
August 30, 20187 yr Songs peaking the week before they hit ACR is a bit annoying but it doesn't seem particularly common and more often than not is by default anyway, as other songs that were above have fallen behind due to ACR themselves. Only You, Most Girls and Thunder are all examples of this. Says it all if they're peaking despite decreasing sales. It looks odd but once again, I don't think the OCC care too much because all of those songs nabbed a higher peak, had already cemented themselves as hits, and could then be shafted off to clear the way for new stuff. Like I said before, Ocean seems like a new case entirely - looking to see a notable increase the week it hits ACR, following three straight decreases. It's a shame really and it'd be nice if they could see its notable increase and revert it, but it's not the end of the world and it'll keep on selling which is surely what the record label cares about anyway.
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