March 26, 20197 yr why doesn't this ACR work in a more gradual way? This rule is ridiculous.... If a song has a minor increase then it needs 3 weeks of decline to be dropped out of the chart but if a song is stable with some minor decline, it immediately sent out... This ACR rule should work gradually starting from the first week.... This way those guys who ruined the chart will at least touch some similarities with the real (and interesting) UK chart, 10-20 years ago when a song was peaking at the first weeks of release and then it would need to be extra-extraordinary to have a rising chart. Even if the streams of a song remain stable for 2 months, it doesn't mean the same people would go and buy the song, continuously for 2 months... some of them just repeat it and this is different from a real sale.. ACR should kick of from day 1, and from 100% chart ratio, decline ~5 or 10% every week. Chart companies reconsider, the chart is not interesting any more, songs getting stuck at top 5, top 10, same number one for months, same top 3 or top 5 even.... Units also are not interesting to look at.... Even them are stable like forever.... #1 is selling ~55-65k for the last 3 months... Because most songs (particularly songs from emerging artists) do rise to their peak now as more people discover them, and only peak in weeks 6/7 or similar. The way you suggested would mean that only artists with massive fanbases would get big hits as by the time new songs had picked up traction they would be pushed way out of the Top 100. Plus sales would be ridiculously low if you only needed 20-30% of what a Top 10 track was actually selling. People have suggested a more gradual drop for ACR (e.g. going from 1:100 to 1:150 after week 10, then gradually increasing every week up to 1:500) but that just isn't the purpose of ACR - it's meant to get rid of old songs from the chart, not make their chart runs look pretty. And it is doing it's job (like it or not, a Westlife song sticking around the same position for 5-10 weeks isn't particularly interesting to the general listening population). One way of 'simulating' the chart similar to how you've suggested (i.e. songs debuting high and falling) would potentially be to give streams a 1:10 ratio but cap the number of streams at 10 streams, so people consistently streaming a song wouldn't have their streams count for weeks on end but their initial streams would have more of an effect. A few of us have suggested this and I wouldn't be against it, but then again none of us know what a chart like this would actually look like.
March 26, 20197 yr definitely caps would work better than ACR in my opinion actually ACR is an alternative to having a cap, should never be applied on week 1 Edited March 26, 20197 yr by Bjork
March 26, 20197 yr How is Lewis Capaldi still at #1 when Giant seems to be the more popular song? stream so am i Edited March 26, 20197 yr by SophieMax
March 26, 20197 yr Because most songs (particularly songs from emerging artists) do rise to their peak now as more people discover them, and only peak in weeks 6/7 or similar. The way you suggested would mean that only artists with massive fanbases would get big hits as by the time new songs had picked up traction they would be pushed way out of the Top 100. Plus sales would be ridiculously low if you only needed 20-30% of what a Top 10 track was actually selling. People have suggested a more gradual drop for ACR (e.g. going from 1:100 to 1:150 after week 10, then gradually increasing every week up to 1:500) but that just isn't the purpose of ACR - it's meant to get rid of old songs from the chart, not make their chart runs look pretty. And it is doing it's job (like it or not, a Westlife song sticking around the same position for 5-10 weeks isn't particularly interesting to the general listening population). One way of 'simulating' the chart similar to how you've suggested (i.e. songs debuting high and falling) would potentially be to give streams a 1:10 ratio but cap the number of streams at 10 streams, so people consistently streaming a song wouldn't have their streams count for weeks on end but their initial streams would have more of an effect. A few of us have suggested this and I wouldn't be against it, but then again none of us know what a chart like this would actually look like. the same thing is happening now with Ariana grande and it's even worse..
March 26, 20197 yr How is Lewis Capaldi still at #1 when Giant seems to be the more popular song? stream so am i Obviously it isn't the more popular song :P Lewis is #1 on Spotify and everyone is talking about him right now, whether it's for the song or for his social media :lol:
March 26, 20197 yr it's clearly more popular than Giant, which is only doing better on iTunes, and that is (partially) cos Giant has been 59p for weeks while Someone You Loved was full price
March 26, 20197 yr I suspect if users were capped to 10 streams per song forever it wouldn't change the chart as drastically as some people here would like it to. The real long runners like Shotgun would be a little bit lower but there'd also be a lot of casual users who enjoy the song and still haven't given it 10 streams yet. I still think a gradual accelerated decline would make the chart more in line with the charts of yesterday too, the 1-1-1-2-4-5-7-8-7-28 runs just look silly and don't represent the gradual decline that most songs have. I'd put songs on ACR to 1:150 for 3 weeks and if it continues to decline then put it on 1:200. I know some people disagree and just want songs out the chart as quickly as possible but ACR hasn't exactly done that with certain songs too (the very old High Hopes (probably) wouldn't be top 40 if certain fresher songs below it were still on SCR for example).
March 26, 20197 yr I disagree about caps Think it would do the job much better than acr And it would be more real as it would be applied to user not globally I doubt theres 100000 new people every day now that stream Shotgun for the first time
March 26, 20197 yr But how many of those 100k people have streamed it ten times. No way of telling but let’s say half of them, now it’s effectively ACR but in a different form if you ditch ACR for the cap.
March 26, 20197 yr ^ but a lot of people do curiosity streams, that shouldn't count either with a cap you would also decimate the effect of playlists, sure a lot of people has streamed Giant or Mabel cos they use a playlist like HH on a regular basis
March 26, 20197 yr But songs are not that high on HHUK or other huge active playlists for months so that effect doesn't carry hits very long. HHUK is not the reason why Shotgun is still charting in top 40 and This Is Me has spent 64 weeks in top 75.
March 26, 20197 yr But songs are not that high on HHUK or other huge active playlists for months so that effect doesn't carry hits very long. HHUK is not the reason why Shotgun is still charting in top 40 and This Is Me has spent 64 weeks in top 75. either way its doubted it would sell 7-8k sales per week for 1.5 year to the chart. the things is to align streams to a sale unit for me..
March 26, 20197 yr it's clearly more popular than Giant, which is only doing better on iTunes, and that is (partially) cos Giant has been 59p for weeks while Someone You Loved was full price Giant is #1 again
March 26, 20197 yr What do you mean again? Its been number 1 for ages on I-tunes It constantly switches between that and Lewis.
March 26, 20197 yr It constantly switches between that and Lewis. Umm, it doesn’t. Giant has been number 1 on ITunes for about a month!
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