Farage has said that the Brexit party won’t stand against any Conservative MP who voted against May’s deal and will also vote against any future deal...

 

Incredibly short-sighted. It’s disgusting that the narrative is being rewritten into Remain v No Deal

 

Weird isn't it as there is probably enough electoral support to get Brexit done with the Brexit Party. But then what does the Conservative Party become? You purge the party of moderates and basically have a party that the sole motive is isolationism and being America's puppy. Surely it turns a large percentage of proper Conservatives off the party. He's affectively trying to force the Tories to come out and say they only support No Deal.

To be honest if those wanking themselves silly over no deal still believe that is current shower really have their best interests at heart then quite frankly they DESERVE no deal.

 

If anything a concerted effort should be made NOT to help them deal with any personal consequences that may arise for them as a result of a no deal Brexit.

 

You were warned, you stuck your fingers in your ears.

 

You wanted it, you've got it, now EAT it.

To be honest if those wanking themselves silly over no deal still believe that is current shower really have their best interests at heart then quite frankly they DESERVE no deal.

 

If anything a concerted effort should be made NOT to help them deal with any personal consequences that may arise for them as a result of a no deal Brexit.

 

You were warned, you stuck your fingers in your ears.

 

You wanted it, you've got it, now EAT it.

 

While I would love to rightly take the moral high ground, just allowing us to crash out without a deal is unlikely to happen now. If Johnson attempts what he the rumorus say he is doing then he's gone full on nut job, will likely at some point face a trial. I just feel there are too many smarter people on the side of No Deal now. Johnson doesn't want an extension because he knows that's him finished as PM.

 

I feel it's hard to blame people, people are easily manipulated to suit someone's agenda and then most of them are too stubborn to believe it when it's true. It's why Farage's message is so powerful to the Brexiteers. Was reading something earlier that it's likely fuel is going to be rationed in the event of a No Deal. So just like the good old days of the war :lol: Just feel content that in the event of their being a No Deal Brexit there will be some good old fashioned anarchy across the Kingdom.

 

That's a classic piece of misdirection there. Let's not forget that Jeremy Corbyn became leader due to the tens of thousands of people, many from the radical-left, who became members of the Labour Party for the sole purpose of voting for Jeremy Corbyn, and it is from these entryists that the anti-Semitism has largely come from. There were minor occurrences of anti-Semitism in the party well before Corbyn became leader, although these were usually minor, isolated incidents (including a few from Ken Livingstone whilst he was Mayor of London, which did cause controversy at the time). But with Corbyn and the influx of new members, the issue has become systemic, whether or not Corbyn is anti-Semitic himself, anti-Semites do seem to view him as a "fellow traveller", and so far the Labour Party has done a poor job of dealing with the issue head-on. It's a sad state of affair that Corbyn has received the support of bone-fide anti-Semites like Nick Griffin and former leader of the KKK David Duke due to them viewing him as such, and as far as I am aware he has yet to denounce their support.

 

I also don't find it "pretty hilarious" that prominent Jewish MPs and members of the Labour Party have been made to feel unwelcome in the party that they have made their home in due to being targeted for their religion/ethnicity, but I guess we must have very different opinions of what constitutes humour.

 

If only any of those claims had ever come with any evidence eh!

 

A hack documentary from the BBC, one MP crying wolf after the constituency she was parachuted into and didn't do any work in decided they weren't fans of her, and persistent conflation of antiZionism with regular antisemitism does not evidence make.

 

Before we even get to Jewish Policy Research documents written by actual British Jewish academics finding antisemitism at much higher levels in - shock horror - rightwing parties, the parties traditionally known for being intolerant of any kind of minority, than in the Labour party.

 

https://jpr.org.uk/publication?id=9993

 

What's hilarious is the level of gullibility people will willingly jump into in the hopes of finding some epithet to throw at leftwingers, to be able to gleefully PROVE that the rightwing and the leftwing are JUST AS BAD AS EACH OTHER instead of one being consistently on the right and one on the wrong side of history.

 

What a tragedy that would be.

 

For Labour, it would be shooting themselves in the foot if Scotland gained Independence - the loss of Scottish MP's would be a serious hit to their chances of winning a UK GE...

 

Are you still struggling to tell the difference between breaking the law and deciding to disregard the result of an advisory referendum is impossible to implement without causing serious harm to the country?

 

Whatever happened to 'This is your choice - we will implement what you decide'?

 

Ironically it’s Scotland’s Tory MPs that put may into power

 

 

Iirc it’s only once in like the last 100 years labour needed its Scottish MPs to govern. All other times they had enough from England and Wales. Yet another easily disproved soundbite from you. That’s an F. Try harder next time x

For Labour, it would be shooting themselves in the foot if Scotland gained Independence - the loss of Scottish MP's would be a serious hit to their chances of winning a UK GE...

Whatever happened to 'This is your choice - we will implement what you decide'?

 

The only party I think that would give the Union up right now is the current state of the Conversative Party and their sheer desperation to get Brexit through.

 

I don't think this current Labour government would enter in to a coalition pact with Scotland as obviously another referendum would be part of the pact. They'd surely just rule as a minority government.

 

Also Vidcapper, I really do understand you want Brexit done and I sympathise that it's not been implemented, but this reality of Brexit was not sold in 2016 and given the choice I am doubtful that people would have voted for it. The excuse of Brexiteers saying 'get it done cos it's what the people voted for' doesn't weigh very well with me. It creates a whole host of other problems and doesn't really solve any.

Let's also remind ourselves of how many old brexshitters died since then, so saying 17.4m, a minority anyway, is now totally disingenuous. And how many voted for a no deal when a Norway model was what was on offer anyway? And 45 million didn't vote for brexshit.

For Labour, it would be shooting themselves in the foot if Scotland gained Independence - the loss of Scottish MP's would be a serious hit to their chances of winning a UK GE...

Whatever happened to 'This is your choice - we will implement what you decide'?

How many more times? Parliament legislated for an advisory referendum. The notes with it stated very clearly that it placed no obligations on the government whatsoever. They ruled out any threshold precisely because it made no sense in an advisory referendum. A statement in a leaflet cannot overrule Parliament.

Let's also remind ourselves of how many old brexshitters died since then, so saying 17.4m, a minority anyway, is now totally disingenuous. And how many voted for a no deal when a Norway model was what was on offer anyway? And 45 million didn't vote for brexshit.

 

And just another timely reminder who so many prominent Brexiteers are so keen on us being out on October 31st..

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/...on-looms/03/09/

According to DS posters, LBC is quoting sources in Paris as saying France sees no point in the EU granting an extension "in the present circumstances" as the delay is just going on and on. Macron may veto any extension then but would be under immense pressure to capitulate by other members especially Ireland. Of course the circumstances would be different if a GE was called.

 

I can understand Macron's real frustration at all this as how many more extension's will we ask for?

To quote a DS poster.

 

I agree with France on this. The government were told not to waste the six months, and they wasted it. Six weeks were wasted just confirming Johnson as leader. Then another six weeks on the MPs' summer holidays. Now 5 weeks to be spent with Parliament suspended. Whatever they might be planning to use the extra 3 months for, they could have done that in the 3 months to Oct 31; they still could do some of it.

 

 

 

 

Well said. We'd just waste the next 3 months too.

Edited September 8, 20195 yr by Common Sense

No, no. I think this is another blinder by Corbyn and the EU. France vetoes the 3 months extension, but ... the EU then offers a two year extension. Boom.

Ironically it’s Scotland’s Tory MPs that put may into power

Iirc it’s only once in like the last 100 years labour needed its Scottish MPs to govern. All other times they had enough from England and Wales. Yet another easily disproved soundbite from you. That’s an F. Try harder next time x

Scotland did influence the result in 2017 but in a way that may be counter-intuitive, given the 12 Tory gains: we deprived the UK of a Tory majority, as 13 Tory MPs is still less than a quarter of Scottish MPs.

 

It's similar to the 2010 election in that there would have been an absolute Tory majority were it not for Scotland, instead of a coalition.

According to DS posters, LBC is quoting sources in Paris as saying France sees no point in the EU granting an extension "in the present circumstances" as the delay is just going on and on. Macron may veto any extension then but would be under immense pressure to capitulate by other members especially Ireland. Of course the circumstances would be different if a GE was called.

 

I can understand Macron's real frustration at all this as how many more extension's will we ask for?

 

Just ignore that Chris, it is Macron playing up to the French people. He is under a lot of domestic pressure. Do you really think he is going to be the one to trigger no deal, the impact that might have on the UK and on a fellow EU state Ireland? Absolutely no chance. The EU will grant us as many extensions as possible, as there is a real possibility we might not even leave. Johnson is the one wasting time.

 

As always, we would have left by now if the majority of the current Cabinet voted for the original negotiated deal.

They may grant as many extensions as possible, but I can totally understand France and other nations getting pissed off with us. Like...if you´re going go...or stop this nonsense.

 

Not saying that it´s that simple right now, but I get the view point.

For as long as Boris/ERG are in power, they’ll just continue to run down the clock no matter ehen the deadline is

You can open the door for the cat, but eventually you'll get annoyed just standing there holding it open.

You can open the door for the cat, but eventually you'll get annoyed just standing there holding it open.

 

 

This is a great analogy :lol: :lol:

To quote a DS poster.

 

I agree with France on this. The government were told not to waste the six months, and they wasted it. Six weeks were wasted just confirming Johnson as leader. Then another six weeks on the MPs' summer holidays. Now 5 weeks to be spent with Parliament suspended. Whatever they might be planning to use the extra 3 months for, they could have done that in the 3 months to Oct 31; they still could do some of it.

Well said. We'd just waste the next 3 months too.

 

 

What´s going on? That´s TWO things we agree(albeit this one partially) in a week!

 

What´s happening? :o