Britain truely is at a crossroads right now - people are dug into their position and it'll be hard to get out of it. NI has been like this for the last 100 years - Britain is becoming like this now where constitutional and populists nationalist issues are central to politics.

The last couple weeks have just made me really sad. I'm glad that Boris has continued to be shown as incompetent and that the supreme court ruled unanimously against the government. However, I've noticed it's made certain people rather angry and have heard some very dangerous language being used by some in my real life.

 

We really need a GE and second referendum. I feel both those things would make things clearer, in particular a second referendum. If remain were to win, article 50 should be retracted. I honestly think retracting article 50 and ending austerity properly is the way forward. It would do wonders for many people, particularly the poorest and those most vulnerable. The ending of uncertainty should greatly help businesses and the econonmy of both the UK and the EU. It would mean more tax revenue for the government and they could free up money that was originally put aside for Brexit to be spent elsewhere.

 

It's such a shame with how things are going. Brexit was never going to be over quickly and if article 50 isn't retracted and pursuing brexit continues, it would take many many years, perhaps even decades before we have a fully formed agreement with the EU on all matters regarding trade/security/energy/science/immigration etc.

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by Envoirment

James Cleverly "if you hold a referendum then refuse to implement the result you undermine democracy"

 

 

Non binding. Countries with far faar more develoeps democracies overturn them all the time. Sorry.

Non binding. Countries with far faar more develoeps democracies overturn them all the time. Sorry.

 

Only overturns decided by a follow-up referenda have any chance of public acceptance. Those overturned by the courts, or parliaments, will simply cause millions of very pissed-off voters!

Millions of voters are already very angry, on both sides, so what's going to change?

 

Then, if you are suggesting it will be not peaceful, unlike the massive protests we've had already, why should we be held hostage by 'violent, popular uprisings', as the Times has put it today? That's not the way we do things.

 

Finally, the courts and parliaments are the normal way a parliamentary democracy behaves - their decisions are the ones to respect.

 

Anyway, I appreciate you coming over to the idea that a follow-up referendum is necessary, however only because we are already in this situation.

Millions of voters are already very angry, on both sides, so what's going to change?

 

Anyway, I appreciate you coming over to the idea that a follow-up referendum is necessary, however only because we are already in this situation.

 

Are you kidding me? Voters may be angry, but at least they have had the chance to express themselves via the ballot box - if/when that is taken away, *that* will cause not merely anger, but pure fury!

 

You appear to have forgotten my many previous statements supporting the idea of a 2nd referendum. I'd rather the people decide, than a bunch of out-of-touch politicians, ivory-tower judges, or meddling busybodies like Gina Miller! :angry:

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by vidcapper

What has Gina Miller done to decide on Brexit?

 

What have judges done to decide on Brexit?

Pure fury? Another March for Brexit? Save us.

 

We aren’t a direct democracy and this episode has shown that we really should never be.

 

It is funny how much hate in particular Gina Miller attracts. She’s a well-informed citizen and legal expert who has imparted essential advice and pressure on the process to ensure it’s conducted appropriately.

It is funny how much hate in particular Gina Miller attracts. She’s a well-informed citizen and legal expert who has imparted essential advice and pressure on the process to ensure it’s conducted appropriately.

 

She’s a woman of colour who has ‘tried to stop Brexit’ during a time of political tribalism.

 

The country should be applauding her for her tireless work ensuring the government does things right and legally.

 

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by blacksquare

Pure fury? Another March for Brexit? Save us.

 

We aren’t a direct democracy and this episode has shown that we really should never be.

 

It is funny how much hate in particular Gina Miller attracts. She’s a well-informed citizen and legal expert who has imparted essential advice and pressure on the process to ensure it’s conducted appropriately.

 

Wait and see if Brexit is thwarted - that's all I will say...

 

Quite the opposite IMO, neither politicans nor judges should be allowed to override the will of the people!

 

Gina Miller had a vote in the referendum, but her choice lost, now all she can do his throw her toys out of the pram like a spoiled toddler!

 

I give you credit for not playing the race card though, unlike Blacksquare. :(

Wait and see if Brexit is thwarted - that's all I will say...

 

Quite the opposite IMO, neither politicans nor judges should be allowed to override the will of the people!

 

Gina Miller had a vote in the referendum, but her choice lost, now all she can do his throw her toys out of the pram like a spoiled toddler!

 

I give you credit for not playing the race card though, unlike Blacksquare. :(

So you don't care whether the government acts legally? Call me old-fashioned, but I do.

 

We are a representative democracy. I know I've said this many times, but the message doesn't seem to have got through to everyone yet.

She’s a woman of colour who has ‘tried to stop Brexit’ during a time of political tribalism.

 

FFS, I am so sick of people trying to play the race card as a reflex, regardless of actual circumstances - IMO in a majority of cases they are just trying it on.

Wait and see if Brexit is thwarted - that's all I will say...

 

Quite the opposite IMO, neither politicans nor judges should be allowed to override the will of the people!

 

Gina Miller had a vote in the referendum, but her choice lost, now all she can do his throw her toys out of the pram like a spoiled toddler!

 

I give you credit for not playing the race card though, unlike Blacksquare. :(

What has Gina Miller done to decide on Brexit?

 

What have judges done to decide on Brexit?

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Gina Miller had a vote in the referendum, but her choice lost, now all she can do his throw her toys out of the pram like a spoiled toddler!

 

 

Spot on. Bet I wasn't alone in wanting to put my foot through my TV last night when I saw her smug face. :angry: :angry: She's trying everything she can to stop Brexit. She should concentrate on her businesses instead and respect the millions who voted out.

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Gina Miller deserves to be commended for her bravery and tenacity in all the work she's done - especially in the face of relentless attacks, threats and abuse she's received.

 

She's changed the course of UK history and we owe her so much for ensuring monsters like Boris Johnson don't ride roughshod over the law for their own self-interested means.

I give you credit for not playing the race card though, unlike Blacksquare. :(

 

FFS, I am so sick of people trying to play the race card as a reflex, regardless of actual circumstances - IMO in a majority of cases they are just trying it on.

 

Women are disportionately attacked online — especially women of colour. Two men were even arrested for their racist abuse and threats towards Gina Miller.

 

It also takes just a few minutes to look on Facebook and Twitter to see some of the recent comments made about her.

 

 

Educate yourself.

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by blacksquare

From City.Square

 

The government believe it is possible to circumvent parliamentary legislation requiring them to delay Britain’s departure from the EU by invoking European law, City A.M. understands.

 

Under the hastily-passed Benn Act, the Prime Minister must write to the EU seeking an extension to Article 50 if no Brexit deal secures parliamentary approval by 19 October.

 

Number 10 has repeatedly said it will comply with the law, while simultaneously insisting the UK will leave the EU by Halloween.

 

Advocates of the act believe it has effectively bound Boris Johnson’s hands, resulting necessarily in delaying Brexit until 31 January and removing the possibility of a no deal departure.

 

However, a closely guarded plan known to a small handful of aides would see the government point to the fact that Article 50 rests under EU law, while the Benn Act is enshrined in British law.

 

“European law usurps British law,” a source told City AM. “That means the Article 50 deadline trumps the Benn Act.”

 

 

 

 

Women are disportionately attacked online — especially women of colour. Two men were even arrested for their racist abuse and threats towards Gina Miller.

 

Slight quibble, but actually it is men who receive more abuse then women online - to quote directly from one of the articles you shared, "Interestingly, men in the survey reported being attacked more often than women did."

 

Of course, that doesn't invalidate your main point - the horrific online abuse against Gina Miller, or any other women (or man) is unacceptable, and should be called out.

Gina Miller is a national treasure and hero and should be knighted immediately.

Slight quibble, but actually it is men who receive more abuse then women online - to quote directly from one of the articles you shared, "Interestingly, men in the survey reported being attacked more often than women did."

 

Of course, that doesn't invalidate your main point - the horrific online abuse against Gina Miller, or any other women (or man) is unacceptable, and should be called out.

 

Not to discredit any men that have received abuse online, but your quote is very different in context. That particular study was also confined to Members of Parliament.

 

"Interestingly, men in the survey reported being attacked more often than women did. "But the abuse is largely confined to [men's] professional duties, posting of defamatory materials, and abuse on political grounds," the authors wrote. For women, the attacks were glaringly personal, with far more threats of death, rape and other physical violence — not just to themselves. Sixty-two percent of female MPs reported that online trolls made physical threats to friends and family. (For male MPs, it was 6%.) Online attacks affected real world behavior. Nearly half of women in Parliament reported they made fewer social outings. (For their male counterparts, it was 5%.)

Edited September 27, 20195 yr by blacksquare