From City.Square

 

The government believe it is possible to circumvent parliamentary legislation requiring them to delay Britain’s departure from the EU by invoking European law, City A.M. understands.

 

Under the hastily-passed Benn Act, the Prime Minister must write to the EU seeking an extension to Article 50 if no Brexit deal secures parliamentary approval by 19 October.

 

Number 10 has repeatedly said it will comply with the law, while simultaneously insisting the UK will leave the EU by Halloween.

 

Advocates of the act believe it has effectively bound Boris Johnson’s hands, resulting necessarily in delaying Brexit until 31 January and removing the possibility of a no deal departure.

 

However, a closely guarded plan known to a small handful of aides would see the government point to the fact that Article 50 rests under EU law, while the Benn Act is enshrined in British law.

 

“European law usurps British law,” a source told City AM. “That means the Article 50 deadline trumps the Benn Act.”

It always make me laugh when Brexiteers start talking about EU law to get their way. The law they’ve spent years decrying.

 

Funny how “take back control” only applies if it meets their ideological view point

Slight quibble, but actually it is men who receive more abuse then women online - to quote directly from one of the articles you shared, "Interestingly, men in the survey reported being attacked more often than women did."

 

Of course, that doesn't invalidate your main point - the horrific online abuse against Gina Miller, or any other women (or man) is unacceptable, and should be called out.

 

 

REPORT in a survey. They are probably talking about being called thick over opinions, etc. Research after research has shown the online atmosphere to be far more toxic towards women.

Deleted a post that went well beyond acceptable discussion in this thread (as well as the understandable responses). Please think before commenting, Common Sense (and others).

One positive that I can see in this whole sorry mess is that I do think it's re-engaged a lot of people in politics and how the country is run. I think the expression "oh they are all the same" no longer applies.

 

I know a lot of people who didn't vote and assumed we would never leave the EU, and now they would probably vote remain in case. Never take your voted for granted! No matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on.

Forgive me as this unrelated to Brexit but I do find it frustrating when some posters either create a dialogue or involve themselves in one, only to then completely ignore and evade any further discussion. And then the cycle continues.

 

I question the point in me even bothering to engage in this forum when it can feel like there is very little discourse.

 

 

Indeed, I’m waiting to find out what decisions Gina Miller and/or judges have made on Brexit

Forgive me as this unrelated to Brexit but I do find it frustrating when some posters either create a dialogue or involve themselves in one, only to then completely ignore and evade any further discussion. And then the cycle continues.

 

I question the point in me even bothering to engage in this forum when it can feel like there is very little discourse.

 

They ignore any replies or questions.

 

For what its worth I agree 100% with blacksquare.

 

As for riots and the like, take it from someone who's been there,you don't want to open Pandoras box there. But it is quite humourous Brexiteers assuming if anything did break out that its they with their zimmer frames who'd definitely end up on the upper hand. & the fact many live in the countryside too. If rationing and supply chain interruptions come in its the wee towns and rural areas that'll be disproportionately negatively affected as the government prioritise the most heavily populated areas that can be centrally restocked.

They'd soon be screaming and crying if they didn't have thr upper hand. The aggressive far right is a minority, but the papers, media and politicians have brainwashed people sooo much with werl errf perperrrl nonsense that they truly believe brexshitters are the majority. They're not.

The thing about riots is that, back at the beginning of the year, Brexiters were all ready with the lines of 'if we don't leave by March 31st there will be riots'. Which, er... didn't happen. Riots happen out of desperation. Something that 'no deal' has always risked, and other options do not.

 

Using them as an argument just smacks of holding the country to ransom through threats of violence.

The thing about riots is that, back at the beginning of the year, Brexiters were all ready with the lines of 'if we don't leave by March 31st there will be riots'. Which, er... didn't happen. Riots happen out of desperation. Something that 'no deal' has always risked, and other options do not.

 

Using them as an argument just smacks of holding the country to ransom through threats of violence.

Which is exactly what Tories usually say should never be allowed to happen.

I think there really would be riots on a large scale if A50 was recinded as us Brexiteers would then realise we weren't leaving, had been lied to and disenfranchised. Don't think there'll be any if just an extension though as we may still leave sometime.

 

 

Why is the Government spending millions on TV ads to "prepare for Brexit on 31st October" if there's a good chance we won't leave then? Sheer waste of money.

Edited September 28, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Well obviously Boris feels he is fully confident that he is able get a renegotiated deal that will get through Parliament before October 31! Despite absolutely zero evidence to the contrary and a complete waste of the last 5 months

Why is the Government spending millions on TV ads to "prepare for Brexit on 31st October" if there's a good chance we won't leave then? Sheer waste of money.

 

Finally, something we can agree on.

 

 

 

Finally, something we can agree on.

 

 

Can't remember if they ran the same ads in March.

I still think Labour and their stance is the most optimal way out of this mess. Their deal, which would outline everything that comes with their version of Brexit, or to remain. People would know exactly what they are voting for. Of course, the most ardent Brexiteers won't be happy but there has to be some compromise. There is no conensenus on what Brexit should look like. Not now, and not in 2016.

 

No deal is clearly not viable and to simply revoke A50 (as much as I would like this) would seem undemocratic and create more civil unrest. The entire premise of democracy is that yes, people change their minds. There is an election every five years, so to say there shouldn't be another referendum after three years is ridiculous.

Edited September 28, 20195 yr by blacksquare

The most ardent Brexiteers will never be happy. Its a religion and all they actually want is both a pile of shite and not something that can be tangibly done. The world is a global place now and the UK is not self-sufficient. What they want to do is to turn back time and the UK is not a powerful enough country to unilaterally do that.

The most ardent Brexiteers will never be happy. Its a religion and all they actually want is both a pile of shite and not something that can be tangibly done. The world is a global place now and the UK is not self-sufficient. What they want to do is to turn back time and the UK is not a powerful enough country to unilaterally do that.

 

Tell that to the Scots... :teresa:

I think there really would be riots on a large scale if A50 was recinded as us Brexiteers would then realise we weren't leaving, had been lied to and disenfranchised. Don't think there'll be any if just an extension though as we may still leave sometime.

Why is the Government spending millions on TV ads to "prepare for Brexit on 31st October" if there's a good chance we won't leave then? Sheer waste of money.

You mean like all those anti-EU protests that led to the referendum being called in the first place? Oh, wait,...

 

Nobody will have been disenfranchised if Article 50 is revoked. There will still be elections afterwards.

Can't remember if they ran the same ads in March.

They didn't, but an election didn't seem quite so imminent then. As it is, they are spending our money (as the Tories always like to call it when we have a Labour government) on the most expensive government advertising campaign ever in peacetime.