I completely disagree with this - if you want to erode or even destroy trust and faith in democracy further by all means, but otherwise we need to make the case for remain and reform and WIN the debate.

 

 

Before revoking A50 there'd have to be another referendum.

Why can't we do what Boris wants. Leave with no deal on 31st then sort Ireland and trade deals and the finer points out. I fail to see why. Boris seems to think it would be okay and I trust our PM.

Please explain what you think the consequences of leaving without a deal are. Pay particular attention to the country's reputation and our credit rating.

 

Let's just take a simple example on a subject close to many members' hearts, the music industry.

 

If we leave without a deal, the consequences for musicians touring Europe will be catastrophic. It is likely to mean a return to the days when touring artists had to account for every single item taken from the UK into the EU. That means documenting every drumstick, every plectrum etc. Not a massive problem for a band like Coldplay who can employ people to deal with it on their behalf, but a major issue for a band who may not even be signed to a record label. Even if they have a manger, they may well also have a full-time job with band management being something they do in their spare time. Spending hours filling in forms (remember that Leave campaign promise about eliminating red tape?) may be something they do not have the time to do.

 

It gets worse. Every bit of merchandise sold will count as an export and will have to be accounted for accordingly. Anything sold will be subject to a tariff. That means increasing the price but without any benefit to the band, Worse still, they may decide that they cannot pass on the whole of the tariff to their customers and absorb some of it themselves. Again, not a problem for a successful band, but a hefty cut in income for a struggling band.

 

Perhaps you would like to explain to these bands why you don't care about them.

Before revoking A50 there'd have to be another referendum.

Why?

Why?

 

 

To see the mood of the country now. What if a second referendum delivered a leave vote too? The second referendum should say the result either way is binding. Believe Labour have said that. Personally I think remain would win.

I completely disagree with this - if you want to erode or even destroy trust and faith in democracy further by all means, but otherwise we need to make the case for remain and reform and WIN the debate. That involves looking at the underlying reasons for the vote in the first place*, and acting to address these issues.

* I don't mean banning/burning the Daily Mail and the Sun (though that would help).

Of course the issues leading to the Leave vote need to be addressed but they need to be addressed while we are still in the EU. That will demonstrate very clearly that the EU were not the cause of these very real issues.

On an unrelated note, my shiny new Irish passport arrived last week.

Of course the issues leading to the Leave vote need to be addressed but they need to be addressed while we are still in the EU. That will demonstrate very clearly that the EU were not the cause of these very real issues.

 

 

How do we address the main two reasons why people voted out. Immigration from the EU and the obscene amounts of billions we pay in to the EU?

On an unrelated note, my shiny new Irish passport arrived last week.

 

 

Great. I've been told I could get one too as my dad was Irish. In fact if Nita hadn't been allowed to remain in the UK after we married I was advised by a solicitor to get my Irish passport and go to live there until she got settlement there then just come here. There are ways around anything really. ;) Also was told that the Irish embassy in Manila is a lot more lenient than the UK embassy there so if I'd married someone over there and she was refused entry to the UK, again get her in to Ireland then just come over here on the ferry.

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by Common Sense

To see the mood of the country now. What if a second referendum delivered a leave vote too? The second referendum should say the result either way is binding. Believe Labour have said that. Personally I think remain would win.

That's a reason for having another referendum. It isn't a reason why we HAVE to.

 

Just to be clear, I think single-issue general elections are a bad idea. That means this issue should ideally be resolved before we have another election. Realistically, a referendum may well be the best way of doing it. However, if that referendum is to be binding, there should be a threshold applied and it should be very clear that overspending by the winning side will invalidate the result.

It gets worse. Every bit of merchandise sold will count as an export and will have to be accounted for accordingly. Anything sold will be subject to a tariff. That means increasing the price but without any benefit to the band, Worse still, they may decide that they cannot pass on the whole of the tariff to their customers and absorb some of it themselves. Again, not a problem for a successful band, but a hefty cut in income for a struggling band.

I think it’s even worse than that. They’d be the exporter and importer of record. As it’s commercial goods being moved over the border they’d need to pay customs duties (where applicable), tariffs (where applicable) and VAT at the relevant rates at the border which is a huge upfront cost for these struggling bands. Being the exporter and importer of record comes with a huge amount of red tape and paperwork. They’d need a customs expert to help them. The Customs procedure codes confuse Big4 accountants never mind marina and the diamonds. Good luck to Mutya Buena trying to work out the commodity code for her Sugababes branded stationary

How do we address the main two reasons why people voted out. Immigration from the EU and the obscene amounts of billions we pay in to the EU?

They are reasons why SOME people voted Leave. The government needs to make a case for EU membership. They need to spell out how we benefit in ways that make the membership fee seem incredibly cheap.

 

Of course, if people want to live in a country with very low immigration, there's always North Korea.

How do we address the main two reasons why people voted out. Immigration from the EU and the obscene amounts of billions we pay in to the EU?

 

1. Making it so that people in the UK want to take jobs that it currently relies on people from the EU for, but I don't know how you would go about doing that. Restoring the nurses bursary the Tories abolished would be a start.

 

2. I would say that's the wrong question.The UK gets about as much out of it, so instead more effort should be spent pointing out just where that money goes and how it benefits the UK.

Great. I've been told I could get one too as my dad was Irish. In fact if Nita hadn't been allowed to remain in the UK after we married I was advised by a solicitor to get my Irish passport and go to live there until she got settlement there then just come here. There are ways around anything really. ;) Also was told that the Irish embassy in Manila is a lot more lenient than the UK embassy there so if I'd married someone over there and she was refused entry to the UK, again get her in to Ireland then just come over here on the ferry.

 

Another no deal Brexiteer happily f***ing off inside EU borders post Tory no deal carnage then...

That's a reason for having another referendum. It isn't a reason why we HAVE to.

 

Just to be clear, I think single-issue general elections are a bad idea. That means this issue should ideally be resolved before we have another election. Realistically, a referendum may well be the best way of doing it. However, if that referendum is to be binding, there should be a threshold applied and it should be very clear that overspending by the winning side will invalidate the result.

 

Agreed. I think it should be solved before the next election or it will dominate it. For example I've written to Corbyn today asking him if he intends to scrap or modify the Work Capability Assessment for sick and disabled people. He said he'd scrap it when he became leader but since then, nothing. These issues need addressing too.

Another no deal Brexiteer happily f***ing off inside EU borders post Tory no deal carnage then...

 

 

I said it was an idea. Didn't need to do that as she got indefinite stay and is a British Citizen now.

Tonights Propaganda from Cummings and Co. :

 

We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government]Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.

But no-one will oppose delay.

 

Thinking that there are EU members who will side with the UK, a departing member, is such a catastrophic miscalculation and I can't believe they're still repeatedly making this mistake three years down the line.

What part of the electorate DID NOT DECIDE TO LEAVE?! PARLIAMENT IS SOVEREIGN AND IR WAS AN ADVISORY POLL. THAT. IS. IT.

Rang DVLA on Friday to ask for a certificate of entitlement to be posted to my address in Reykjavik. Should be here this week.

 

When it arrives I can swap my UK Drivers Licence for an Icelandic one.(UK Licence won't be valid in 3 weeks if that moron with a sh#t haircut gets his way) Once that comes, im completely covered.

 

The shitshow back home gets more embarrassing by the minute. No intention of returning.

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by mald487

See my reply. It's not much different to May's but if it may get through Parliament, and it just may now, then the EU should give it a chance. Read what a lot of the UK press are saying. This is all Varadkar's fault. Read the comments below articles too. Vitriol against Varadkar is intense. Threats against him even for frustrating Brexit.

 

Oh no, vitriol against an Irish politician by people in the neighbouring country, England. This has never happened before. How will he possibly cope? :')

 

The English don't like it up em.

What part of the electorate DID NOT DECIDE TO LEAVE?! PARLIAMENT IS SOVEREIGN AND IR WAS AN ADVISORY POLL. THAT. IS. IT.

 

You sound like a Catholic priest of the 16th C, insisting the Earth was the centre of the universe, based on nothing more than religious tradition... :rolleyes:

 

Now let me remind *you* of some facts : there were no preconditions set, either of margin, turnout, or of country approval as a whole.

Edited October 8, 20195 yr by vidcapper