In this reality, we have Trump for another 4 years. Bernie would never have won against Trump I'm sorry, no matter how popular he is. Just like Corbyn was "popular" it doesn't always translate in to the votes when the times are right.

 

58 vs 36%... Who needs Florida when you have Texas? Again, as we saw on the night the progressives stormed to victory and the neolibs, including Joe, struggled. Bernie would have destroyed Trump AND given us an FDR style presidency, arresting the far right surge, AND guaranteed a second term for his White House. I assume AOC or Nina Turner would have taken over from him for the second race. Centrism is dead. Mad May was shite and Corbyn was far better. Accept it. Extreme centrism is to blame for Trump and Blojo.

58 vs 36%... Who needs Florida when you have Texas? Again, as we saw on the night the progressives stormed to victory and the neolibs, including Joe, struggled. Bernie would have destroyed Trump AND given us an FDR style presidency, arresting the far right surge, AND guaranteed a second term for his White House. I assume AOC or Nina Turner would have taken over from him for the second race. Centrism is dead. Mad May was shite and Corbyn was far better. Accept it. Extreme centrism is to blame for Trump and Blojo.

 

Where are you getting Bernie would have won Texas? The Latino vote is quite mixed. I suspect a lot of Latinos in Texas would have been worried about their oil jobs (and this is what the Trump campaign would have focused on). Corbyn did absolutely nothing as he never won an election and if we start counting the popular vote then we can say UKIP should have had a shitload of MPs back in 2015 too. The far-left are just as deluded as the far-right - like two peas in a pod.

Where are you getting Bernie would have won Texas? The Latino vote is quite mixed. I suspect a lot of Latinos in Texas would have been worried about their oil jobs (and this is what the Trump campaign would have focused on). Corbyn did absolutely nothing as he never won an election and if we start counting the popular vote then we can say UKIP should have had a shitload of MPs back in 2015 too. The far-left are just as deluded as the far-right - like two peas in a pod.

 

Again, we are moderate left, and we just seem extreme to those on the extreme centre, like you.

 

And what tells us that he would have won is his extremely good polling numbers in Texas and among Latino voters.

Again, we are moderate left, and we just seem extreme to those on the extreme centre, like you.

 

And what tells us that he would have won is his extremely good polling numbers in Texas and among Latino voters.

 

The moderate left.. im sure that’s how Laurence Fox, Nigel Farage and Alex Jones portray their conservative views as moderate!

 

Great so you’re basing all this rubbish off polls, which might be fairly accurate in the UK (to a certain level), but they’ve had some significant margins of errors across this election in certain States. If there’s one thing Trump has said that was correct is that the polls were wrong to some level.

The moderate left.. im sure that’s how Laurence Fox, Nigel Farage and Alex Jones portray their conservative views as moderate!

 

Great so you’re basing all this rubbish off polls, which might be fairly accurate in the UK (to a certain level), but they’ve had some significant margins of errors across this election in certain States. If there’s one thing Trump has said that was correct is that the polls were wrong to some level.

 

To some level... I will remind you of the primaries, pre-shenanigans and pre exit polls being out by 15% at least in every state, always favouring Joe LOL, plus Bernie's vote tallies getting slashed as counts went on, with Bernie proving to be EXTREMELY popular with disparate groups of Latinos, except for Florida. Bernie would have cruised ro victory. Joe barely beat him even when he was handed the election in a plate. Again, the moderates flopped and the progressives EASILY won.

 

Moderate left: equal rights, higher taxes on businesses, a living wage. What is as radical as Nigel Farage about that?

 

Your centre views, based on a neoliberal rich class destroying the middle class and oppressing the ever-expanding working class, are extreme, not mine. Supporting Mad May over sensible moderate left policies is extreme, not supporting said policies.

Every SINGLE congressional candidate who did NOT support M4A lost their sear. Every SINGLE ONE WHO DID support M4M won their deat. Meanwhile, Republicans think Kamala is a communist lol. But, sure, Bernie wouldn't have done even better :rolleyes:

 

More Republicans won than in 2016 and Trumo gained 9 MILLION more votes. Appealing from the centre right to the Republicans was a COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE. Bernie would have destroyed Trump.

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Tories back in the lead.

Effect of the equality report these past few weeks

Effect of the equality report these past few weeks

 

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Starmer down also.

 

I hope all the people bleating about real opposition and a real leader for the past few years realise how high the Tories floor of support is. They can be incompetent, malicious, corrupt, etc — and people will continue to stand by them. That is not going to change anytime soon, and I doubt it will until another right-wing party gains prominence.

 

When that floor of support begins to crumble? Time for Rishi Sunak. They'll just reinvent themselves as an entirely new party — as if they haven't been in power for over a decade.

Edited November 23, 20204 yr by blacksquare

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Starmer down also.

 

I hope all the people bleating about real opposition and a real leader for the past few years realise how high the Tories floor of support is. They can be incompetent, malicious, corrupt, etc — and people will continue to stand by them. That is not going to change anytime soon, and I doubt it will until another right-wing party gains prominence.

 

When that floor of support begins to crumble? Time for Rishi Sunak. They'll just reinvent themselves as an entirely new party — as if they haven't been in power for over a decade.

 

Which is because the Tories have a real hand over the swing centrist voters. It's these people Labour need to win back. I don't think they are a million miles away, the Tories are riding off the vaccine news, Johnson being on TV every few days and the Labour/Corbyn stuff, it was to be expected really. Don't forget in the next week there will be the Priti Patel stuff, so we shall see how that effects the polls.

It’ll be basically neck and neck depending on the events each month now which should be the cases considering the tories have been in power 11 years now albeit under three different leaders. It’s the equilivant of being in late 1989 in the thatcher era

The Tories do have a narrow lead but if you drill down into the numbers it is really quite extraordinary the growing polarisation between old and young - this is NOT normal. Remember that in the 1980s Thatcher had majority support in 18-34s. I think it has something to do with property ownership and so house prices going up 5% during a global pandemic are probably the main thing holding that very VERY old boomer coalition in place for now.

Ch4 polling showed that Labour are 47% to 41% ahead in the red wall seats meaning they would retake 80% of them if the election was today!

That's interesting, and promising news, as expected, wouldn't take much of a swing across the region for the red wall to fall back into place again. They'll probably still be swing constituencies by 2024 but we may see a few that are almost certain Conservative losses.

It’ll be interesting to see as 16% were don’t knows

Ch4 polling showed that Labour are 47% to 41% ahead in the red wall seats meaning they would retake 80% of them if the election was today!

 

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The same poll. The Sunak Tory rebranding is going to happen — I just wonder when.

Edited December 5, 20204 yr by blacksquare

Who has a positive opinion about Dominic Cummings?

Laura Kuessenberg and Robert Peston?

He might have gotten appreciation from the really far gone anti-lockdown conspiracy theorists + UKIP people

 

Sunak is of course the interesting one from that poll, he's riding high because of bread and circuses, I'm very interested to see how far that'll go when he has to be bringing bad news (though arguably he already did that a bit with his spending review).

Just wait until the March 2021 budget (if it's not cancelled) - we'll see how high Rishi's ratings are then. Especially if a no deal brexit goes ahead.