Still happy with either Keir Starmer or Jess Phillips as leader.

 

Angela Rayner is the obvious candidate for deputy and would've been a much better Corbyn-esque candidate for leader than Long-Bailey. Ah well.

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Nevermind she is cancelled.

Jesus f***ing Christ.

 

What a way to win back Social Democratic voters in Scotland. Say they’ve been voting for McHitler in a socialist mask. That’ll do the trick.

 

Who advises these clowns? Have they ever met a Scottish person outside of a PR stunt?

Definitely no to Nandy and Phillips now their campaigns have started. Thornberry is dead in the water.

 

I'm in the somewhat strange position of being between Long-Bailey and Starmer.

 

Now, now, calm. Long-Bailey winning is good for a few reasons, it guarantees that Labour continues to follow the policies that truly set it apart from the Tories, the Tories are economically moving left (if still to the centre-right) and if Labour socially move right in response, why vote for them? The policies are popular if Labour choose the right ones to go forward, particularly the Green New Deal which is one of the best environmental policies we have, and talk of her being unelectable will only make such a self-fulfilling prophecy, so ignore talk of electability, it's rhetoric designed to limit what is possible.

 

Of course if she wins Labour can't be complacent and assume they can age the population into a socialist victory (or even a socdem one), they can't without a massive change in circumstances. But there's so much talk now about how RLB is a disaster, which is priming you to think she will be. I've always been impressed by her speaking and I'd hope she would be less passive than Corbyn in letting smears take hold and would do more to get media friendly voices on side. Hope, there's no guarantee, which is my concern about her. But if she is elected, don't give up with talk of Tories in power for 15 years, we should attempt grassroots movements to win back the vote and solidify a movement that can win over people across the board.

 

However I do also really like Starmer's campaign, his message, Another Future Is Possible is a good tag line, and I have confidence that he is the least likely candidate to cause a rift in the party. His position on the soft left is one that reasonably closely matches my own, and I think he comes across as an intelligent person who'd hold the government to account. I am concerned that it's easy to paint him as uninspiring and I'm also concerned about the optics that has him triumph over a field of women. Nevertheless I think he's the best chance at the moment of taking back 2024, but I still see it as a long shot.

 

Whoever the leader is, Labour need to do a lot better on the optics to convince voters to come away from the Tories and back to them. That means getting some friends in the media, highlighting Tory mistakes, and coming across as people who can solve the problems of all communities across the UK.

Long-Bailey doesn't have the image to win and would be Corbyn 2.0. Ideologically I don't have the biggest problem with that, but Tory rule needs to be stopped and Keir is the way forward with that as a compromise to pull the country back onto something of an even keel. That's where I stand now.

 

I feel like Angela Rayner would have been able to walk a line of that sort too, but ah well.

I am reasonably confident that Rayner will be deputy at this stage, she seems to be getting support from both Starmer and Long-Bailey's nominations. Which if Starmer is leader will alleviate my some of my concerns with him.

 

I agree RLB doesn't have the image right now. I think it IS possible she can turn it around as leader but she will have more of a fight than Starmer will. There have been better candidates from the left of the party.

Apparently it's "too close to call" amongst members, from polls conducted. Bet they go for Long-Bailey as she's female.

I am reasonably confident that Rayner will be deputy at this stage, she seems to be getting support from both Starmer and Long-Bailey's nominations. Which if Starmer is leader will alleviate my some of my concerns with him.

 

 

Yes I'm sure Rayner will be Deputy. Maybe she thought better to become second in command now and learn the ropes somewhat then stand for leader next time.

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Just thought that both may be female.

I'm gonna go with Starmer for leader and Rayner for deputy, and I think that's what could realistically happen.

 

Rayner should be leader! :(

I agree with the Starmer-Rayner ticket. I like RLB and her policies but think Starmer would be a better leader due to the fact he's a lawyer he would be perfect to forensically take apart a leader like Johnston in the Commons. And although he isn't obviously charasmatic like Blair say, he still 'looks' like a potential PM in the making.

 

Excited about the prospect of a Starmer shadow cabinet now.

Long-Bailey is dull as dishwater, bland at its absolute peak. Her getting the nomination is a one way ticket to the Tories getting back in to power in 2024.

 

Starmer while also not a great deal above bland can bring the party together and I think he will hold the Tories to account. His Remain background will be irrelevant in 2 years time, so by 2024 it will be all be a dream we thought was a nightmare but actually it's reality.

 

I don't think anyone is daft enough to vote for someone because they're a woman, you vote for the best person for the role regrdless of their sex, of the available candidates that is Starmer.

Will Starmer be tarnished by being around the top table in the JC cabinet and being leader of he remainer arguement so much so that he created the ill fated Brexit position in the GE?

No. By 2024 there will be enough to evaluate some of the success or failure of Brexit, which should diminish the tribalism. If it’s widely seen as a failure, good for him, in the unlikely event it’s a roaring success the Tories win no matter who the Labour leader is - plus half the country are on his side. Besides if he is wise in that circumstance he’ll have a non-Rejoin policy.

 

I think and hope that Brexit tribalism will diminish now the ‘respect the result’ part is over.

Turns out I'm seeing Jess Phillips at a leadership event tonight, should be interesting!

 

Does anyone have any burning questions in case I get to speak to her afterwards? :lol:

Turns out I'm seeing Jess Phillips at a leadership event tonight, should be interesting!

 

Does anyone have any burning questions in case I get to speak to her afterwards? :lol:

Does she support electoral reform?

Team Starmer!

 

As for questions for Jess, what does she honestly think of Johnson and May, and/or the Russia report's lack of publication? If she has a fierce response to that she'd go up in my estimation.

Turns out I'm seeing Jess Phillips at a leadership event tonight, should be interesting!

 

Does anyone have any burning questions in case I get to speak to her afterwards? :lol:

 

Many of the things I’d ask Jess are things I wouldn’t put in writing on a public forum, but I would ask her how she intends to win back Support to Labour in non city areas where they lost seats, where voters are more likely to have a ‘socially conservative’ leaning than to the policies that Labour have to offer, especially as the party can’t hope to get a majority under FFTP without winning some of those individuals over.

Turns out I'm seeing Jess Phillips at a leadership event tonight, should be interesting!

 

Does anyone have any burning questions in case I get to speak to her afterwards? :lol:

 

How can she stomach being friends with arch Tory landed gèntry aristocrats, especially Reese Smogg?

 

Does she think the bbtory should be closed down/ what she thinks of its bias

 

Does she take any blame in the Labpur defeat for sabotaging JC with TWO leadership campaigns?

 

Does she accept that had they not sabotaged him the first time, he would now be in power? (Election vs mad may)

 

Does she truly believe the tories can be beaten when they have billionaires and the media and establishment and the neoliberal plutocrats gaming democracy across the world behind them?

 

Why did the Labour Corbyn policies get so much support in polls and 2017?

 

Does she take any blame in the loss on forcing Corbyn to adopt an EU position? His political instincts told him not to. He was right. And now we have brexshit.

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This is one of the worst pieces I have ever read by a leadership candidate. Phillips has the intellect of a puddle, little substance, and is the worst person for the job.

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This is one of the worst pieces I have ever read by a leadership candidate. Phillips has the intellect of a puddle, little substance, and is the worst person for the job.

 

The exact same things can be said about Bojo the Bloat...