Yes but as that's a useless qualifier for actually supporting Brexit (I'd have far more respect for you/actually believe this "I voted Remain but..." story if you admitted it was obviously going to be a bit shit while saying it needed to happen), why do you now think leaving is a good idea?

I would have a lot more respect for the most ardent Brexit-supporters if they defended their positions with genuine answers, explained and described their reasons, and didn't continuously resort to changing the topic or being evasive with semi-unrelated overreaching comments.

Yup. This. Very much this. Haven’t any time for empty meaningless rhetoric or the regurgitation of meaningless soundbites from vacuous self-serving shit for brains papers/politicians

Let the games begin.

 

The EU has no presence on the world's stage, just an empty shell full of hot air.

 

While the UK, a nation full of 30 million racists and bootlickers has...what, exactly?

The funny thing is that Brexiteers are exactly the kind of people who will come to rely on the rest of us, and yet have spent the last four years burning any bridge they can get their grubby hands on.

 

Unfortunately, that's enough for me. Turning around come this time 2021 and wanting help or support, sorry, but I'm laughing in your face.

The funny thing is that Brexiteers are exactly the kind of people who will come to rely on the rest of us, and yet have spent the last four years burning any bridge they can get their grubby hands on.

 

Unfortunately, that's enough for me. Turning around come this time 2021 and wanting help or support, sorry, but I'm laughing in your face.

 

 

How can we rely on you anyway? Aren't you Irish. Very confused by your post. :)

 

Do you mean the EU in general? We won't be relying on you once we've left at all.

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How can we rely on you anyway? Aren't you Irish. Very confused by your post. :)

 

Do you mean the EU in general? We won't be relying on you once we've left at all.

 

He may be Irish but I believe he resides in the UK? Like nationalities matter at this point anyway.

 

It’s not that we won’t be relying on the EU, it’s that we won’t be able to rely on the EU. The bridge will be thoroughly burnt.

He may be Irish but I believe he resides in the UK? Like nationalities matter at this point anyway.

 

It’s not that we won’t be relying on the EU, it’s that we won’t be able to rely on the EU. The bridge will be thoroughly burnt.

 

 

We don't WANT to rely on the EU though. That's why we voted by majority to leave surely? We'll be self-sufficient with lots of other trade deals as well as our one with the EU.

We don't WANT to rely on the EU though. That's why we voted by majority to leave surely? We'll be self-sufficient with lots of other trade deals as well as our one with the EU.

 

We’re going to need to rely on someone though. Things are looking bleak.

How can we rely on you anyway? Aren't you Irish. Very confused by your post. :)

 

Do you mean the EU in general? We won't be relying on you once we've left at all.

 

But you do rely on Ireland hugely especially as joint guaranteers of the GFA (although when the tories are in power they usually go back and be the unionists they are)!

 

In fairness to Peacemob it’s a lot harder to argue of the pros and cons of a radically new position than see the continued benefits of a status quo position we all know and live through.

Edited September 6, 20204 yr by Steve201

Article in the Times on Thursday said that no deal is looking very likely now.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-...ender-t5sf30chw

 

Th article says to ignore the furore about fish, that can easily be agreed, its just being blown up for political reasons on both sides of the debating table - the thing that ultimately sinks any chances of a deal is state aid.

 

The Tory Party have traditionally been very anti state aid - and very quick to get annoyed if they think any EU member has been engaging in it. Boris Johnson actually railed against it in the referendum campaign.

 

https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/status/1301601530991308802

 

Cummings however isn't a typical Tory. His vision of the UK's future is the UK becoming a world leader in all sorts of new cutting technology, and rather than relying on the private sector to lead on this, the government is going to have to spend billions and billions on this and plough vast amounts of money into companies to help them develop products that will make Britain a world leader - and crucially not make us reliant on Chinese technology.

 

Governments don't tend to be very good at developing new IT related technology, or in backing the right companies that make this stuff. But Johnson just does what Cummings wants.

 

We are basically crashing out of the EU with no deal because of Cumming's blue sky thinking for the UK's future. Its probably the biggest gamble this country has ever taken, and the most reckless and stupid.

 

I meant younger people and workers.

 

Who voted overwhelmingly for Brexit? Older people and people with less education.

 

Well, unfortunately, those kinds of people need public services more and will be hurt if the UK has less ability to fund them. If there's shortages of stuff those kinds of people will be less able to push through the crowds to get the resources they need, or to pay the premiums to keep getting everything they expect. To get nurses in the hospitals, or cleaners for your houses, or people to do the work for you if a whole host of low-paid EU workers go back to the EU. And if educated young people decide to leave the UK in droves then it'll be harder to fund everything out of the taxes of those who remain.

 

Older folk and poorer folk and less educated folk are pretty much exactly the sections of society who, without a secure social safety net and social contract - a feeling of trust between various groups - will become very quickly vulnerable and can slip through the net.

 

So it's kind of unfortunate that those groups have spent the last four years going out of their way to make enemies of everyone else.

Why would educated young people leave the Uk?

Why would educated young people leave the Uk?

 

Why wouldn't they? If there's rationing, wage stagnation etc. Why would they stay?

 

It happens in every country where things suddenly go badly for the population - those most able to leave for a better life elsewhere, do. Surely coming from Ireland you're familiar with the concept? Or look at Greece, for a more recent example.

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Why would educated young people leave the Uk?

 

Why stay is the more important question.

 

I left. I earn more money, have a nicer apartment, better work life balance and I live in a country with competent leadership and a grown up approach to corona.

 

If only I could have brought all my closest friends and family with me then I’d have no reason to ever return to that damp little island

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Jesus Christ. The next few months are going to be very very very long and painful.

 

 

They’re also trying to force judicial change on Scotland to stop the Scottish courts holding the Gov to account. Only issue is that if they do it, they violate the Acts of Union and the Treaty of Union which guarantees the continuation of Scots Law and it’s independence and functions as it was at the time of Union in 1707

Why wouldn't they? If there's rationing, wage stagnation etc. Why would they stay?

 

It happens in every country where things suddenly go badly for the population - those most able to leave for a better life elsewhere, do. Surely coming from Ireland you're familiar with the concept? Or look at Greece, for a more recent example.

 

Indeed but the uk isn’t Ireland or Greece and the fact these two countries are actually in the Eu surely goes to highlight that the point is wrong.

 

Also none of the scenarios have happened in the uk or imo will happen.

 

Also everyone has a different outlook as to what’s important in life so for everyone who wants to leave for various different reasons not just economic there will be many that will stay for many different reasons also not solely due to economic reasons.

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And so devolution ends if this is true!

BORIS SETS 5 WEEK DEADLINE TO AGREE DEAL WITH EU

 

From The Sun:

 

BORIS Johnson has set a five-week deadline to agree a post-Brexit trade deal.

 

And ahead of this week’s talks, he said he was happy to end negotiations with the EU without an agreement if terms did not suit.

 

The Prime Minister insisted No Deal would still be “a good outcome for the UK”.

 

He said it would mean we would trade with the EU on the same terms as Australia did.

 

Mr Johnson insisted any arrangement must be signed by October 15 so it could be in force by December 31, the end of the transition period.

 

He said there was “no sense in thinking about timelines that go beyond that” as businesses on both sides of the Channel needed time to prepare.

 

 

Talk in tomorrow's press that the UK is set to get even tougher with the EU and refuse to budge on anything now. Chief negotiator David Frost warned that "We will not blink in the next few weeks and will not become a client state of the EU"

Edited September 6, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris

On a lighter note, had to laugh at a woman on the news tonight saying she voted OUT purely because the EU, specifically France, forced us to change the name of JIF cleaner to CIF. :rofl:

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Indeed but the uk isn’t Ireland or Greece and the fact these two countries are actually in the Eu surely goes to highlight that the point is wrong.

 

Also none of the scenarios have happened in the uk or imo will happen.

 

Also everyone has a different outlook as to what’s important in life so for everyone who wants to leave for various different reasons not just economic there will be many that will stay for many different reasons also not solely due to economic reasons.

 

Agreed there. Plus the UK already has a reliance on food banks and wage stagnation. There won't be any rationing, it's not WW2. There will be shortages in the supply chain, that is a given if there is no deal. But it will be simialr to the early days of covid-19 only for items which are perishable so they are also harder to store unless you've 6 freezers in your house.

 

Young, educated people won't be leaving the UK in their droves. If anything in the shirt term there might even be more jobs under £30,000 in the medium term for young people. The problem comes that to be a successful business you need the right experitse and talent and we don't always have that in the UK, which is why it was so easy to attract people from the EU to fill these talent gaps. Plus moving to another country comes with cultural changes too which not everyone can aclimatise to.