I love how some people think we should celebrate this :lol:

 

We are JUST tiny bit away from the very worse case scenario (which was no deal). This deal is better than that by millimetres, but no more.

 

Bugger all to happy about. The only good thing is this isn't no deal. Its like saying walking on hot coals is better than walking in lava - I'd still prefer to be walking on carpet!

 

Plus - roaming charges back? Awful deal for Scottish farmers? Masses of red tape? No Erasums? No EHIC?

 

Excuse me while I don't congratulate Boris.

In January, Lib Dem MP Layla Moran tabled an amendment to keep the UK in the Erasmus programme. The government defeated it but Johnson told MPs that there was no threat to the UK's place in the scheme. Today, he took the UK out of the Erasmus scheme.

Tories in lying non-shocker there.

People just don’t want to believe they can be fooled so easily by their government so that’s why there’s a lot of doubling down and unfounded fangirling. A lot of time has to pass before many realise what actually had happened. But of course lots of new things will replace the old ones in the next few months and no one will remember any of it. And we’ll be starting from scratch. Silly humans with goldfish memory.

Roaming charges back is a big low point as a person who’s hometown in NI is beside the border - one minute you have o2 UK and the next O2 IRE on your phone so it’ll cost a fortune depending on where you are in town 😐.

 

Least economically we are linked to the EU for the foreeeable

People just don’t want to believe they can be fooled so easily by their government so that’s why there’s a lot of doubling down and unfounded fangirling. A lot of time has to pass before many realise what actually had happened. But of course lots of new things will replace the old ones in the next few months and no one will remember any of it. And we’ll be starting from scratch. Silly humans with goldfish memory.

 

Any deal we were going to get outside of the current EU deal was always going to be worse in the short-medium term. Longer term, who knows. But we are talking 30-40 years down the line and probably need one of the bigger countries to leave the EU too. To the average person this deal affects nobody, it will only be when Timmy and Tina go to Spain and post their Instagram Live chat from Spain and realise they've been charged £20 that they will realise they have been mugged off.

 

But it was crucial we avoided tariffs on imports and exports, that would have caused absolute chaos. There still be chaos at the ports with the extra admin, but at least in the most parts, businesses will probably absorb these costs so to consumers there will be minimal effect which is massive compared to the alternative of 10% increases.

Well it's no good looking back on what would have been good about staying in when we're leaving is it? If being a member of the EU was so good, as Remainers keep telling me, here, other forums, real life, including my sister, then as I told her, why did 17.4 million want to leave?

 

Because they're stupid, racist, grumpy bast*rds who never achieved anything in their lives. Tough pill.

 

Given that there's a 66-67 million population in the UK, 17.4 million suddenly seems less significant.

Given that there's a 66-67 million population in the UK, 17.4 million suddenly seems less significant.

 

Not really as inevitably out of those stats there’s loads who can’t vote

Which is f***ed up because young people will have to inherit the earth from those brexit-loving country-ruining old geezers

Because they're stupid, racist, grumpy bast*rds who never achieved anything in their lives. Tough pill.

 

 

What EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, 17 MILLION. No way. A few maybe. I don't know one Brexiteer who is racist.

Which is f***ed up because young people will have to inherit the earth from those brexit-loving country-ruining old geezers

 

So what, should we just have a vote every year to en on it to account for people who’ve turned 18??

What EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, 17 MILLION. No way. A few maybe. I don't know one Brexiteer who is racist.

 

I’d probably say the majority are, yes. There’ll also be a large majority that were fooled into thinking we’d have more money for the NHS.

 

You keep telling us the main reason all the Brexiteers you know voted leave was immigration. Are you honestly telling me that there aren’t any racist undertones there at all.

I’d probably say the majority are, yes. There’ll also be a large majority that were fooled into thinking we’d have more money for the NHS.

 

You keep telling us the main reason all the Brexiteers you know voted leave was immigration. Are you honestly telling me that there aren’t any racist undertones there at all.

 

 

There may be from some voters, yes I agree but most, including me, were just fed up with the fact that anyone, yes anyone, could just jump on a plane or ferry from Europe and come and live here, an island with finite space, whether they had a job or not. That's wrong even though we could go there too. Now the whole world will be treated equally they say and people with relevant skills will come first.

 

I do agree that, yes, we were duped by Boris, Nigel and co. about the NHS money but nothing we can do about that now really.

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There may be from some voters, yes I agree but most, including me, were just fed up with the fact that anyone, yes anyone, could just jump on a plane or ferry from Europe and come and live here, an island with finite space, whether they had a job or not. That's wrong even though we could go there too. Now the whole world will be treated equally they say and people with relevant skills will come first.

 

I do agree that, yes, we were duped by Boris, Nigel and co. about the NHS money but nothing we can do about that now really.

It is wrong, yes. As in factually incorrect. It also, of course, completely ignored the fact that we had the reciprocal right to seek work in the other 27 countries.

"an island with finite space" said like Europe isn't finite?

 

do you know how many people live in the province I currently live in - a province which is about half the size of the UK? The answer is twice as many people as there are in the UK, living for the most part in a developed fashion. There's still plenty of room. And plenty of room in the UK for more people to live there.

 

The problem is the UK is unequal in class divide and in subregions in far moreso than any of the other major countries in Europe and that is a problem where the opposite of a solution is cutting ties and oversight from the rest of the continent. It could work (if unideal because there's no good route to a successful country without internationalism) if we had a government prepared to tax down the rich and protect the poor, to encourage worker co-ops and employment protections and invest in less well-off regions, but we do not have any of that.

There may be from some voters, yes I agree but most, including me, were just fed up with the fact that anyone, yes anyone, could just jump on a plane or ferry from Europe and come and live here, an island with finite space, whether they had a job or not. That's wrong even though we could go there too. Now the whole world will be treated equally they say and people with relevant skills will come first.

 

So having a job somewhere is what justifies you to be allowed to live there?

 

So having a job somewhere is what justifies you to be allowed to live there?

 

The irony of that viewpoint :lol:

So having a job somewhere is what justifies you to be allowed to live there?

 

 

Not if you were born there or are married to someone who is working. How else will you survive?

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