That woman is unhinged.

I wonder how Emma votes.

 

Probably doesn’t know how to...

Stories from the S*n like that are obviously the exception and hardly newsworthy except to rags, there's no need to copy-paste them here, what are we going to say? 'ooh how terrible I bet everyone's such a terrible hoarder let's get all depressed at how terrible things are'.

 

People just need to stay inside and thankfully, as far as I can tell, most are pulling together in solidarity.

 

It's odd that the message from government is that there are enough ventilators. My family has today been informed that if anyone in the nursing home my Nan currently resides in contracts COVID-19 they won't be admitted to hospital because they won't be enough ventilators and they won't be a priority case. If there are plenty of ventilators to go around there's surely no need for measures like this to be brought in?

 

The lack of medical supplies is going to really hurt, I really worry that ventilators are going to become incredibly scarce. What you're describing is essentially triage and from what I can tell it's already well in place, I do hope your nan's nursing home and others like them can remain safe during this time.

Thanks. It's been closed to visitors for at least three weeks now so is probably low risk. And from this decision making process it's not one I would disagree with. It's a dementia care home and some of the residents are quite late stage, if there has to be a prioritisation then yes, they're a low priority. But it's frustrating when the message from government is that everything is ok, when in reality that's far from the truth and the health service is already having to decide which patients they're going to try and keep alive. It's also frustrating when these government messages are just accepted as truth and that any critique is rejected.

Good this has been moved to news and politics, it of course is 'news' and there is also some politics involved to do with how countries are dealing with the pandemic and so it fits here.

One thing that doesn't seem to be uniform nationwide is the fact that no visitors are allowed to Covid 19 patients. Our local hospital allows one visitor, usually next of kin, no children, no-one with cough or temperature and all in protective clothing and mask. Most hospitals aren't allowing anyone in though. If one can then surely others can too. There should be national guidelines on this.

Edited April 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

One thing that doesn't seem to be uniform nationwide is the fact that no visitors are allowed to Covid 19 patients. Our local hospital allows one visitor, usually next of kin, no children, no-one with cough or temperature and all in protective clothing and mask. Most hospitals aren't allowing anyone in though. If one can then surely others can too. There should be national guidelines on this.

 

Tough decision. One the one hand allowing one visitor is good for the mental health of the patient which might speed up or increase the chances of their recovery. Not everyone has video message technology. One the other hand there is always a chance the visitor might catch the disease there even with protective equipment.

Edited April 3, 20205 yr by Social Hisstance

Should be a national decision by the Health Department though and not left up to each NHS Trust or even hospital to decide. This was brought up on QT last night. It's not fair that some can see their dying relative but someone in the next town can't.

One thing that doesn't seem to be uniform nationwide is the fact that no visitors are allowed to Covid 19 patients. Our local hospital allows one visitor, usually next of kin, no children, no-one with cough or temperature and all in protective clothing and mask. Most hospitals aren't allowing anyone in though. If one can then surely others can too. There should be national guidelines on this.

Except that there's a shortage of protective clothing for NHS staff, let alone visitors.

Except that there's a shortage of protective clothing for NHS staff, let alone visitors.

 

 

Yes I know that.

So I don't know if this has been posted before but the triage thing is actually not how its being made out by these articles. Its not that they're rationing the ventilators from badness or mercenary. They're just applying principles of palliative care to people who won't otherwise survive, rather than forcing them to stay alive in pain until the virus actively kills them.

 

Its a whole medical ethics thing to do with patient care & not prolonging life in suffering for the sake of it.

 

Obv this doesn't absolve the gov of the supply chain issues & shortages mind.

The Daily Mirror says that the present restrictions will last until at least June 14th, according to their government sources.

They can't really judge that far ahead, it'll be reassessed every 2/3 weeks imo!

They can't really judge that far ahead, it'll be reassessed every 2/3 weeks imo!

 

 

Exactly what I thought Steve. They can't say then as things may improve before then. It'll be extended 3 weeks imo, taking us to 3rd May.

Putting an end date on anything, even if it’s just via Doms whispers to select mouthpieces, is reckless. They last as long as is required to keep as many people safe and well as is possible and to keep our healthcare system from having a meltdown. The US is a prime example of what happens when you don’t have lockdown measures and the shit healthcare system is overwhelmed.

 

My restrictions here, that have a 93% approval rating, are extended for 2 weeks at a time. We’ve been told measure in place until 19th but further extensions are likely. I think for historical reasons were only going a short period at a time, but everyone has got the message that we’re here for the long haul.

https://www.berlin.de/sen/inneres/presse/pr...lung.915948.php

 

The demonic sweet potato has stolen, literally stolen, a shipment of 200.000 masks from 3M (so the good ones) in Bangkok that were on their way to the state of Berlin for our public sector workers (mainly the Police). What kind of dirty c**t does that in a pandemic.

 

Defend this Chris. I DARE you.

Went to Asda in Barking and had to direct the bus driver lol. He said it's his first time here as he's usually in West London, at Wimbledon depot. Very quiet with most things in stock and no queues. Only limit is 1 pack of loo rolls and 3 baby milk. Oh no broccoli.

 

Sorry meant that to be in the Community thread.

Edited April 4, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

https://www.berlin.de/sen/inneres/presse/pr...lung.915948.php

 

The demonic sweet potato has stolen, literally stolen, a shipment of 200.000 masks from 3M (so the good ones) in Bangkok that were on their way to the state of Berlin for our public sector workers (mainly the Police). What kind of dirty c**t does that in a pandemic.

 

Defend this Chris. I DARE you.

He did the same for France and Canada it seems, even his own states apparantly

Turkey stole from Spain as well

Sun article: BRITS are flouting lockdown rules to go for bike rides in the sun and exercise together as the UK enjoys a mini heatwave. Pictures taken today show people failing to socially distance - despite the UK's chief nurse begging Brits to stay at home in memory of two hero nurses who lost their lives fighting the bug.

Edited April 4, 20205 yr by Klaus
avoid copy&paste Sun articles please

He did the same for France and Canada it seems, even his own states apparantly

Turkey stole from Spain as well

 

 

The US has banned export of all masks made there now as they need them too but I agree that as these were in transit they should have allowed them to proceed to Germany. Doubt Trump himself knew anything about them though.