You said he will announce the plan not lift restrictions. I was highlighting to you that he said restrictions are probably being lifted on Monday regardless of what they may be.

 

I also said don’t get your hopes up for any significant change, not no change at all if you’re going to be this pedantic about literally everything I say.

The fact that the number of tests (on the blatantly fiddled figures) has gone back below 100,000 just adds to the suspicion that some of the tests sent out on Thursday could have been sent earlier in the week. But it served its purpose by getting a good headline.

Cheeky bast*rds tbh. Really I'm appalled at how they keep treating it all like one big lying game.

 

The thing that really gets me is how they go straight to lying. THEY set the arbitrary 100k target in the first place. Why not, if you had any doubt you could reach that, set it to 75k? And now it's 200?? At least say 150, something manageable. The utter disrespect for the public and the truth makes me actively angry.

They have to tell everyone what they want to hear to keep them inside whilst they struggle to actually make it happen.

Nicola is protecting her citizens. Schools would never have closed at all if not for Scotland pulling their finger out.

 

Honestly I really struggle to understand how you can live in the dystopia that is England with your politicians who openly, *blatantly* don't give a shit, and can turn around and look at the actions of the Scottish leader as 'playing politics for an agenda'. Nothing is being played here. It's literally only the Tories who are continuing to treat it all as a game that can be won just by saying the right words or twisting the figures the right way.

 

Honestly, no offence but the faith that some of you repeatedly have that *this time* despite it not being the case for the past 40 times in a row, no, this time perhaps the Tories are telling the truth...is almost staggering.

 

I was not following the news in the UK as much pre-lockdown as I wasn't in the country. But I was more concerned talking about political point scoring in the aftermath of the lockdown, of which there are definitely a few examples where there could have been a consistent approach to comms/ announcements. Of course no decisions are being made to put people at direct risk, that would be stupid. But unless I am completely stupid, there must be some form of alignment for centralised issues between all of the United Kingdom and there are clear examples where there is an alignment briefing in the background but Scotland have done something different.

 

Rightly or wrongly like I said, but it's clear examples of political point scoring.

The fact that the number of tests (on the blatantly fiddled figures) has gone back below 100,000 just adds to the suspicion that some of the tests sent out on Thursday could have been sent earlier in the week. But it served its purpose by getting a good headline.

 

It's impressive that the capacity is up to speed, but looking at the numbers in the subsequent days, now I would totally agree. Does seem like a very clear attempt to show they have delivered a figure rather than actually truly showing the rise in testing capability. Spin doctors at their finest :D :lol:

Personally I suppose I just see if the UK is a ship and the captain (Boris) is gving poor instructions, it's almost the responsibility of the first mate to step in and give different instructions to try and avoid the iceberg. Maybe that perspective just depends on your values and how authoritarian vs utilitarian you are. I myself would lean pretty firmly to the latter.

 

Hierarchy has imo proved itself to have served the UK poorly for the last few years. Might does not equal right, morally, or even in terms of correct judgement.

Personally I suppose I just see if the UK is a ship and the captain (Boris) is gving poor instructions, it's almost the responsibility of the first mate to step in and give different instructions to try and avoid the iceberg. Maybe that perspective just depends on your values and how authoritarian vs utilitarian you are. I myself would lean pretty firmly to the latter.

 

Hierarchy has imo proved itself to have served the UK poorly for the last few years. Might does not equal right, morally, or even in terms of correct judgement.

 

It depends and it's all about timing. A good example is facemasks. Bit of a sore subject in the UK anyway, but the best quality ones we still need for the health services. Now it's fairly obvious that the UK is going to advise/state we must all wear facemasks likely on public transport. Whether this announcement should have come earlier or not, that is not the point. The point is there is a strategy and it should be stuck to imo as a joint effort between the nations. But Scotland chose to announce it is recommended to wear face masks. Again, rightly or wrongly. The point is, it's a clear attempt at political point scoring. They're politicians, every bugger does it.

I think you’re talking out your arse here Roo. Scotland went a different way on facemasks and the same day the UK gov was saying there’s no science to support it and they wouldn’t do it. It’s not point scoring at all. The 16 states of Germany all have different facemask requirements. No one is accusing Bavaria of political point scoring because it’s regulations are the toughest.

 

 

The UK has been a rudderless ship through all of this. Sturgeon is just doing her job and nothing more. Public health is a devolved area of competence and while she is collaborating at a UK level there are decisions that legally are Scotland’s alone to make on areas such as education, healthcare, social care and law & order. All of these subjects are devolved and the UK gov has no power to enforce any regulations in this area in Scotland.

 

If you pay more than 5 seconds of attention to Scotland, and avoid the hyper partisan sections of the media, then what you see is two things quite clearly.

 

1 - Sturgeon repeatedly saying that as far as possible a UK-Wide approach is required as this virus doesn’t care about the constitution and in her response neither does she. She is responsible for making the best decision for Scotland based on the evidence in front of her. Scotland’s outbreak is weeks behind the uk in terms of even starting so is at a different phase of the pandemic and this may require a different approach to relaxing restrictions in order to continue to manage the ongoing first wave and secure a sustainable path out of lockdown. Where possible Scotland will work in lockstep and is a constructive partner with the UK Gov at all available opportunities

 

2 - the politicians point scoring in Scotland are universally Unionists. The majority of them are Tories who are either chatting pure shite from a wholly misinformed baseline or they are putting the unionist ideology above all else including public health requirements during a pandemic.

 

 

There has been not one mention of independence from the SNP. Only of cooperation with the UK gov. At every stage of this unionists have been wheeled out to say that scotland is only surviving because it is part of the UK (wholly untrue seeing as NHS Scotland actually has PPE thanks to the Scottish Gov procurement efforts and NHS England has a single face mask that is shared between all hospitals on a rota) and how because of the uk we are part of the “successful” fight against the virus

I think you’re talking out your arse here Roo. Scotland went a different way on facemasks and the same day the UK gov was saying there’s no science to support it and they wouldn’t do it. It’s not point scoring at all. The 16 states of Germany all have different facemask requirements. No one is accusing Bavaria of political point scoring because it’s regulations are the toughest.

The UK has been a rudderless ship through all of this. Sturgeon is just doing her job and nothing more. Public health is a devolved area of competence and while she is collaborating at a UK level there are decisions that legally are Scotland’s alone to make on areas such as education, healthcare, social care and law & order. All of these subjects are devolved and the UK gov has no power to enforce any regulations in this area in Scotland.

 

If you pay more than 5 seconds of attention to Scotland, and avoid the hyper partisan sections of the media, then what you see is two things quite clearly.

 

1 - Sturgeon repeatedly saying that as far as possible a UK-Wide approach is required as this virus doesn’t care about the constitution and in her response neither does she. She is responsible for making the best decision for Scotland based on the evidence in front of her. Scotland’s outbreak is weeks behind the uk in terms of even starting so is at a different phase of the pandemic and this may require a different approach to relaxing restrictions in order to continue to manage the ongoing first wave and secure a sustainable path out of lockdown. Where possible Scotland will work in lockstep and is a constructive partner with the UK Gov at all available opportunities

 

2 - the politicians point scoring in Scotland are universally Unionists. The majority of them are Tories who are either chatting pure shite from a wholly misinformed baseline or they are putting the unionist ideology above all else including public health requirements during a pandemic.

There has been not one mention of independence from the SNP. Only of cooperation with the UK gov. At every stage of this unionists have been wheeled out to say that scotland is only surviving because it is part of the UK (wholly untrue seeing as NHS Scotland actually has PPE thanks to the Scottish Gov procurement efforts and NHS England has a single face mask that is shared between all hospitals on a rota) and how because of the uk we are part of the “successful” fight against the virus

 

I don't think the UK flatly denied the use of face masks, Witty and Vallance used a different trait. They just sat on the fence entirely and got some splinters. And plus if we are all staying at home you could argue what's the need for a face mask. Look I am not saying it is rightly or wrongly any strategy I am just making the point that with everything I have seen there is a clear angle for independence in some of the strategy and comments made. Some of the choices are idelogical, just like the Tories made which suit their ultimate vision and purpose. Again, rightly or wrongly..

 

I’m frustrated that the lockdown isn’t being eased on a region by region area. It feels as though the Northern regions are peaking now or are only coming past the peak. These have been the worst affected regions but once again, there’s so much focus on the south despite claims of ‘rebalancing’ the nation.

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Scotland staying in lockdown

I’m frustrated that the lockdown isn’t being eased on a region by region area. It feels as though the Northern regions are peaking now or are only coming past the peak. These have been the worst affected regions but once again, there’s so much focus on the south despite claims of ‘rebalancing’ the nation.

 

Thr tories have only ever cared about the south. This is nothing new. Evil, disgusting, disco citizens party.

I’m frustrated that the lockdown isn’t being eased on a region by region area. It feels as though the Northern regions are peaking now or are only coming past the peak. These have been the worst affected regions but once again, there’s so much focus on the south despite claims of ‘rebalancing’ the nation.

 

It's completely daft as it will just cause domestic migration. I'd bet you a large reason why the rest of the UK is so far behind London, is because when we went in to iockdown a lot of people left the capital to come back home to be with family.

How would it cause domestic migration? Where would these people go? How would the escape England’s draconian police forces to leave the region in the first place?

How would it cause domestic migration? Where would these people go? How would the escape England’s draconian police forces to leave the region in the first place?

 

There are many people who have been moving around homes throughout this. I don’t think travelling Round the country is as difficult as you may think if people have a second home to go to that is either theirs or family.

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No 10 says that lockdown restrictions remain in place

 

So no sunbathing in parks over bank holiday weekend, despite suggestion this restriction will be eased next week.

 

The communication strategy here has been as garbage as ever, Johnson says yesterday restrictions likely to be eased from Monday, press print what they are and that message moves away from Stay Home now he is saying nothing changes.

The UK government is less effective at its job than a chocolate teapot is at being a teapot

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Scotland staying in lockdown

 

I am only seeing strength and sensible decision making from Sturgeon. If only we had that in Westminster.

 

The media is deliberately framing it as Sturgeon undermining Boris, rather than understanding Sturgeon is clearly acting in the interests of Scotland. You're only going to see political point-scoring with that if you're actively looking for it and don't class Scotland as their own nation.

 

A good example of actual point-scoring would be holding back tests for one particular date to inflate the numbers.

 

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No 10 says that lockdown restrictions remain in place

 

So no sunbathing in parks over bank holiday weekend, despite suggestion this restriction will be eased next week.

 

The communication strategy here has been as garbage as ever, Johnson says yesterday restrictions likely to be eased from Monday, press print what they are and that message moves away from Stay Home now he is saying nothing changes.

 

I told you not to get your hopes up about significant changes but then you told me that Boris said there would be. Is it possible that our lying prime minister was lying? Or, at the very least, didn’t know what he was talking about? It’s the news today that they’re reviewing the lock down today which means Boris was definitely talking out of his arse yesterday.