I'm sure that they will soon be able to open up to tourism for many other countries that have crushed the curve: https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

 

Not the UK though, that remains in 'complete basket case' territory. :lol:

 

They might do, but they have no need to now with it being winter. The problem with New Zealand is, a bad outbreak would completely cripple their healthcare due to the setup of the country. I think they will tread very cautiously for a little while yet. Can only see them opening up to the South Pacific islands and Australia in the short term.

 

Whilst I’m sure New Zealand May struggle without tourism, I think they can be pretty happy with the result following a strategy that put lives first. They won’t suffer as badly as the UK who initially put the economy first and will now struggle to reopen the economy as quickly as other countries, no matter how hard England are trying. I’d much rather have had a dip in tourism than over 40,000 dead.

I'm sure that they will soon be able to open up to tourism for many other countries that have crushed the curve: https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

 

Not the UK though, that remains in 'complete basket case' territory. :lol:

 

I’m a bit confused by that site, why would Costa Rica who look like they are heading for a second peak in that graph be classed as “winning”, whereas the UK who have had a slow but near constant downward trend be classed as “need to take action”?

 

And then you have the likes of Mali and Somalia which don’t even look to have reached a peak yet but are only classed as “nearly there”?? unsure:

I’m a bit confused by that site, why would Costa Rica who look like they are heading for a second peak in that graph be classed as “winning”, whereas the UK who have had a slow but near constant downward trend be classed as “need to take action”?

 

And then you have the likes of Mali and Somalia which don’t even look to have reached a peak yet but are only classed as “nearly there”?? unsure:

 

It's not to scale so the graphs sometimes look more alarming than they actually are. Costa Rica had 55 cases yesterday whereas UK had 1,205.

The end coronavirus website unfortunately hasn’t updated for some time. I’m guessing that the UK would be in the “nearly there” category by now.

Just in case y'all don't know, the % of people over 65 who have died in the UK is 89%. Even higher than I would have estimated as a top bracket guess.

 

Only 35 people under 40 with no underlying conditions have died. Out of 40,000.

Does anyone know when we will next get a briefing about lockdown rules etc? I have tried to look myself but there is nothing out there!

Does anyone know when we will next get a briefing about lockdown rules etc? I have tried to look myself but there is nothing out there!

 

Apparently it will be on Thursday 25 June - but you're right, completely confusing and not at all clear.

 

That is when they will make a go/no go decision on the Stage 3 reopening of the economy for 4 July:

The ambition at this step is to open at least some of the remaining businesses and premises that have been required to close, including personal care (such as hairdressers and beauty salons) hospitality (such as food service providers, pubs and accommodation), public places (such as places of worship) and leisure facilities (like cinemas).

They might do, but they have no need to now with it being winter. The problem with New Zealand is, a bad outbreak would completely cripple their healthcare due to the setup of the country. I think they will tread very cautiously for a little while yet. Can only see them opening up to the South Pacific islands and Australia in the short term.

 

Greece would have been the same, and they did very well to try and limit the first wave. They are now opening tourism again (a bit risky in itself though) but are not encouraging tourists from the UK which is right because the UK is still not low enough in terms of daily new cases.

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Apparently it will be on Thursday 25 June - but you're right, completely confusing and not at all clear.

 

That is when they will make a go/no go decision on the Stage 3 reopening of the economy for 4 July:

Thank you! Do we reckon they will allow people to visit others inside of that's the case then?

Thank you! Do we reckon they will allow people to visit others inside of that's the case then?

 

Doubtful just yet. My guess is in a couple of weeks they might let you meet un-socially distanced in small groups outside and potentially mix a household between two first.

 

Main thing imo to watch out for is the track and trace app launch. I think when that goes live that's when you will be allowed to meet people in households again

Doubtful just yet. My guess is in a couple of weeks they might let you meet un-socially distanced in small groups outside and potentially mix a household between two first.

 

Main thing imo to watch out for is the track and trace app launch. I think when that goes live that's when you will be allowed to meet people in households again

I thought it was already live? Or was it just a trial?

 

I sound like I'm so out of the loop but I just find it all so inconsistent :lol:

So the government are now saying that the original plans for English primary schools to be full up and back to normal before the Summer holidays isn’t going to happen because-shock horror-it’s completely impractical right now. There aren’t enough classrooms or teachers to cover the social distancing guidelines.

 

I wonder if they could opt for the model Wales are using where students are only in part time and resume working from home. I had a meeting with my headteacher yesterday and it appears that most schools are looking at one year group in per day (2 for schools with 7 year groups.) I know it’s a pain for parents, especially those who cannot work from home but I can’t see what else can be done with a proper track and trace system in place.

There are rumblings on twitter that Germany offered the build of their own track and trace system to the UK for free as a gesture of goodwill, and the UK refused because the government (/Cummings) favoured giving a multimillion £ contract to a Vote Leave supporting firm to build their own version.

 

I wouldn't be surprised. Sounds par for the course.

It’s why I won’t be downloading any NHS app so long as it has been developed by any association with Cummings/Vote Leave. It’s a complete shame as I was extremely keen to, and I would in any other circumstance because it’s needed, but there’s no way of trusting them when they’re still continuing to play their underlying political games and data dissemination at a time of national crisis. A disgusting time to be opportunistic.

Doubtful just yet. My guess is in a couple of weeks they might let you meet un-socially distanced in small groups outside and potentially mix a household between two first.

 

I hope not. That will definitely push the R rate above 1 I think.

 

The focus should just be just slowly reopening businesses and not easing social distancing even outside.

I thought it was already live? Or was it just a trial?

 

I sound like I'm so out of the loop but I just find it all so inconsistent :lol:

 

There's a trial and it's already "live" too, although not the track and trace like promised. The sceptics (including me) think it was launched as a distraction from the Cummings debacle.

 

It’s why I won’t be downloading any NHS app so long as it has been developed by any association with Cummings/Vote Leave. It’s a complete shame as I was extremely keen to, and I would in any other circumstance because it’s needed, but there’s no way of trusting them when they’re still continuing to play their underlying political games and data dissemination at a time of national crisis. A disgusting time to be opportunistic.

 

Pretty sure it's been well debunked that Cummings' family aren't involved in the app. It's just the director shares the same surname which is an unfortunate coincidence.

 

I hope not. That will definitely push the R rate above 1 I think.

 

The focus should just be just slowly reopening businesses and not easing social distancing even outside.

 

Other countries have reduced social distancing outside. I think we will follow suite in a couple of weeks.

Interestingly, after summer Berlin and Brandenburg have both announced today that their schools will go back to completely normal with no social distancing. Nursery goes back to normal from Monday from Brandenburg and a week Monday for Berlin. Not sure about the other states as I got the news from our local broadcaster that covers the two states.

 

That seems to suggest they either think that a) kids aren’t super spreaders or b) rates of transmission are so low that normality is a risk we can afford.

 

Bars are open here now, opening hour restrictions are removed for establishments. We’re almost fully back to normal here aside from masks and limits on number of people in stores at once

You definitely picked a good time to move to Germany - I get the impression that the summer here is going to be a complete write-off. : (

You definitely picked a good time to move to Germany - I get the impression that the summer here is going to be a complete write-off. : (

In hindsight, I really did. We can leave the country to the EU/EEA/UK from Monday and have no need to self-isolate upon return. I’m so excited to get to travel home for a couple of weeks (even if I have to quarantine on arrival)

 

 

It’s not over, far from, but the Gov seems to have done fairly well and we’ve come through in a reasonable position compared to other countries, especially given how late our lockdown was.