Unfortunately I think the coronavirus will mutate eventually and render the existing vaccines ineffective, then we will have to go back to the restrictions until a new vaccine is made.

 

It will mutate in to a less lethal form though and if it does mutate they can just tweek the sequences like they do with the fly jab. I've never heard of a virus becoming more deadly, it will kill itself off if it does that.

It will mutate in to a less lethal form though and if it does mutate they can just tweek the sequences like they do with the fly jab. I've never heard of a virus becoming more deadly, it will kill itself off if it does that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/...-it-more-lethal

Vaccinations for England are due to begin for care home residents & healthcare workers at the start of December, then prioritising older people, with the youngest cohorts beginning to get vaccinated from the end of January onwards. There may be light at the end of the tunnel -

 

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Assume you'll hear from your GP when it's your turn and as in our cases if you're not having it you just don't reply or turn up. What about elderly people in care homes who are not with it, not really mentally ill, but just very confused and have dementia, alzheimers etc, will they just give it or next of kin have to sign or something? I know how confused my mum was near the end and she wouldn't have even understood! Have read you'll have to sign a form giving the NHS permission to give you this vaccine as you do with the flu jab. Wonder if this will absolve them from any legal action if something does go wrong.

 

What about the mentally ill especially those sectioned at the time? Assume they'll just be jabbed without asking. I think you can be given any treatment if sectioned.

 

Will be curious to read how many people do actually refuse it. Says we'll get a percentage figure a few weeks after each group is done.

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Don't think I'll be getting it until February given the group I'm in (assuming that NI's rollout will be on a similar timetable to England). I did get a flu shot for the first time today, because the last thing I want is to get the flu & coronavirus at the same time.

Don't think I'll be getting it until February given the group I'm in (assuming that NI's rollout will be on a similar timetable to England). I did get a flu shot for the first time today, because the last thing I want is to get the flu & coronavirus at the same time.

 

 

Wish wife would have a flu jab but isn't bothered. Told me in Boots she'd get a free one as she's employed as a nanny still, even though the girl's almost 16 now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/...-it-more-lethal

Yes of course there's a bigger chance a deadlier version emerges. That is a given if there's more virus particle around. However, natural selection benefits the ones that have a longer life and spreads faster. For the deadlier version to succeed it need to both mutate to a deadlier version, which isnt happening in 1 or 2 mutations, AND become easier to spread. Chances of that happening are very very slim

I’m expecting to be in line for it in Q2 under the German roll out plan. Like Brett I’m getting Flu jabbed this year on Friday. Will be the first time I’ve had the flu jag

The data is showing its growing in the older classes - probably Year 10 to Year 13. I'd argue as bad as it is, these year groups, whilst at a pivitol point of their education are also the most adaptable to take up online learning.

 

Whilst I'm typing that, I really do wonder if extending the Christmas break to 3 weeks would be a good option this year.

 

I’m pretty certain the Welsh government had a proper blended learning plan in place for secondary schools and wussed out of it because the rest of the UK opted for full return. Students in one week and off the next with plenty of social distancing and online assignments for the week off.

 

Unfortunately this doesn’t cover the childcare angle so they’ll never go for it.

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I’m pretty certain the Welsh government had a proper blended learning plan in place for secondary schools and wussed out of it because the rest of the UK opted for full return. Students in one week and off the next with plenty of social distancing and online assignments for the week off.

 

Unfortunately this doesn’t cover the childcare angle so they’ll never go for it.

 

I could understand it with primary school children and even KS3, but surely KS4 and above should be fine at home? I don't know, maybe it is too logical.

 

America 1st. America 1st. America 1st.

 

 

And you probably have to assume the "true" numbers are much worse with so many people not having access to any healthcare or insurance.

I could understand it with primary school children and even KS3, but surely KS4 and above should be fine at home? I don't know, maybe it is too logical.

 

I work with FE age and above and you'd think this, but you'd be surprised. Many just can't adjust to not being in a classroom setting and it can really impact on their mental health and wellbeing and affect their work, a lot of teachers I'm working with are going back to full class strategies.

 

I go back and forth as to what I think is best, but I think a mix of remote and on-site that I've seen is probably best, there really isn't a perfectly ideal situation to this unfortunately!

Agreed, a lot of older students won’t complete work online at home if given the chance. Where parents are supportive and monitoring things it works, but that’s not as common as you’d expect.

Hoping I'll be offered the vaccine earlier than the proposed rollout. I know my employer has connections so may use them to acquire and distribute the vaccine to staff. They usually get a number of flu vaccines early - I had mine a couple weeks ago.

Hoping I'll be offered the vaccine earlier than the proposed rollout. I know my employer has connections so may use them to acquire and distribute the vaccine to staff. They usually get a number of flu vaccines early - I had mine a couple weeks ago.

 

I hope this doesn't happen unless we have extra virals. If employers start buying them it's only going to pro-long the pandemic. Makes sense to vaccinate the people who need it most so we can get back to normal.

I hope this doesn't happen unless we have extra virals. If employers start buying them it's only going to pro-long the pandemic. Makes sense to vaccinate the people who need it most so we can get back to normal.

 

My employer/work is classified as essential and they have a testing facility which processes 2,000+ Covid tests a day - although it's all mainly volunteer based/secondmented people who wouldn't be classified as healthcare workers. There's also a lot of Covid research ongoing despite running at half or less than half capacity since the pandemic started. I think my employer would want to try to vaccinate all staff to be able to get back up to near max capacity to allow research to expand. There's been a lot of disruption due to people testing positive and their collegues having to self isolate.

My employer/work is classified as essential and they have a testing facility which processes 2,000+ Covid tests a day - although it's all mainly volunteer based/secondmented people who wouldn't be classified as healthcare workers. There's also a lot of Covid research ongoing despite running at half or less than half capacity since the pandemic started. I think my employer would want to try to vaccinate all staff to be able to get back up to near max capacity to allow research to expand. There's been a lot of disruption due to people testing positive and their collegues having to self isolate.

I'm not entirely sure what Boris is planning, but if you're in one of the labs processing tests in Germany they have been included in the list of wave 1 vaccination recipients. Given Boris copies what Merkel does on a week or so time delay I'd assume that you'll get confirmation in due course that the UK Wave 1 would also include you

Don't think I'll be getting it until February given the group I'm in (assuming that NI's rollout will be on a similar timetable to England). I did get a flu shot for the first time today, because the last thing I want is to get the flu & coronavirus at the same time.

 

Where’d you get it? I was told there was none left when I phoned?

I did post a good article about this in the university funding thread.

 

It is very informative

It will be torturous as encouraging international travel again will take until 2022-2023. So that whole tourism industry is going to be really effected, as well as aviation. It's the knock on effect too.. hostels and bars etc. have gone out of business so while people may want to travel, it's not the same experience. Not only that it is things like cinemas etc. - movies used to open to £300m-350m - the days of that are over for the short term, it will be a third of that. So you just have this really long and drawn out process. I'd argue while retail has been decimated, this has been coming for years and it has just accelerated the decline. There's still a market but it needs to be a more personable experience. E-commerce is the future for sure and if you don't adapt you get left behind.

 

Just while I expect the likes of Pret, Costa, Starbucks to lose their commuter volume, a new business will inevitably come to the forefront. I just don't think the human cost can be overstated to all this and it will take years for it all to come out as grim as that sounds.

 

I'm less worried about future pandemics. If anything, this has shaped the world up to be more proactive than reactive. Well, I hope!

 

I think travelling will bounce back handy enough, I mean so many people went on holidays this summer much to my own disgust!