At the moment it's only planned for nightclubs and "large scale events" (no explanation of what that actually means as of yet i.e. capacity/indoor or outdoor etc.) typical government just making up new rules and expecting affected parties to work out the actual logistics of it all.

 

Clubs have already been open for nearly 2 months anyway without any entry requirements so don't really see what it will achieve.

I think the whole nightclubs thing is baffling. Vaccinated people can still spread the virus so what does it actually achieve? Would make much more sense to enforce a negative lateral test to enter instead, they've done that successfully with all the sporting events this year.

 

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole idea dropped as it just seems far too impractical to actually work effectively. Probably was just a coercion tactic targeted at young people as Dr Blind says.

 

It lessens the impact, or in practice it does. I'm still not 100% sure of the feasibility, but is pretty clear we're going to have to have some form of restrictions imposed over the late autumn/winter. Still got 7m of the population over 18 who are not vaccinated. The under 30s have the largest takeup of the vaccine too. Yes you can still spread if you're vaccinated, but you're also less likely to catch it too compared to an unvaccinated person.

Is anyone else genuinely uncomfortable with the idea of vaccine passports?

 

It's seems like generally people are now resigned to the fact it's going to happen but I honestly don't see all that many practical benefits to it and many negatives to it.

Not in the slightest. Im highly supportive of the move.

 

 

They’ve been in operation here since like April as part of a now named „3-G“ strategy for opening (Vax, Recovered or Negative Test) that was widely credited here for breaking the third wave and has so far helped us avoid quite as bad a Delta wave as is in other countries. Like it’s still there but we haven’t see the catastrophic rise in cases like overnight that big chunks of the UK has had.

 

 

Im fairly relaxed about them. I like that it provides an extra level of assurance and safety for higher risk activities. Like sure it’s not no Risk but it can help to lower the risk a lot and that’s helpful. A weapon to avoid a new lockdown and keep us moving this winter

At the moment it's only planned for nightclubs and "large scale events" (no explanation of what that actually means as of yet i.e. capacity/indoor or outdoor etc.) typical government just making up new rules and expecting affected parties to work out the actual logistics of it all.

 

Clubs have already been open for nearly 2 months anyway without any entry requirements so don't really see what it will achieve.

 

Surely if you're requiring it for Nightclubs, some of which round me can only 100-500 for a headline dance gig then your definition of large scale events is going to have to reflect that. I think the focus on Nightclubs is an attempt to mitigate a massive outbreak when everybody moves to uni, as even students who aren't - i've noticed their talking about 'large venues' in their latest briefings on this - so it might be a case of you can go to one place but not the other. It's also probably in consideration of unis going back where people will be moving in together from all over the country and likely to want to hang out 'freshers flu' is a real thing and I'd imagine Covid would similarly love that environment.

 

Arena gigs are surely going to requiring them, as will festivals (although their won't be many in winter, and hopefully the passes will be gone by summer)

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I don't like the precedent it sets, personally.

 

I also think it doesn't make sense from a public health perspective. Why nightclubs and not churches? Churches are going to have a much worse result if someone goes in and spreads covid unvaccinated without a mask, because the people going are going to trend a lot older.

 

Any venue X size would make sense. Exemptions for certain places doesn't.

It should be universal on all high risk situations. I need mine for indoor dining or the gym or the cinema and now also for a nightclub now they’ve reopened under a 2G model.

I don't like the precedent it sets, personally.

 

I also think it doesn't make sense from a public health perspective. Why nightclubs and not churches? Churches are going to have a much worse result if someone goes in and spreads covid unvaccinated without a mask, because the people going are going to trend a lot older.

 

Any venue X size would make sense. Exemptions for certain places doesn't.

 

Lots of churches are already following tonnes of restrictions similar to the pandemic mandated ones to keep people safe, restrictions that Nightclubs really can't if they want to turn any profit (social distancing, masks are still mandatory in many with older populations). Only holding services after prolonged breaks between them (equivelant to a nightclub opening say Wednesday/Friday or something).

 

I think the issue for me is like you say more about the precedent - it's creating a two-tier society pitting vaccinated against unvaccinated which is completely unfair. It's a medical matter, and you're medical status shouldn't be something that every Tom, Dick and Harry has to ask you about for you to do everyday things, especially when there's no great evidence this will make any difference - you can still carry it if you're vaccinated after all - a negative lateral flow test on the door would surely be fairer, although I imagine more expensive.

 

 

 

 

Thing is with these vaccine passports is that they aren't even going to be checked.

 

Some of my friends and a guy I used to date are extreme ant-vaxxers and are constantly bragging on Facebook about how there's an exact replica of the NHS app on their phones that shows they've had a vaccine when they haven't and they've used it everywhere they've been asked for it without a problem.

 

What's the point introducing these measures if they can be easily faked? And I actually hate the idea of them anyway. You just know they'll be extended to cafes, cinemas, supermarkets etc like Israel and France too...

So my parents have finally caught it. Surprised it’s taken so long considering they are staunch anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine (this specific one, not in general), think COVID-19 is overhyped etc.

 

Doing a shop for them tonight and as they did for us, get them exactly what is written on the list and no comforts/treats!

Oh, Oliver, it sounds like your parents are just like mine.

 

I don’t wish it on anyone but sometimes I wonder if that’s the only way my parents will ever see the light.

Oh, Oliver, it sounds like your parents are just like mine.

 

:ph34r: being the same person you’d expect us to have the same parents!

 

Yeah I’m going to let them get over it and then see if it has changed their viewpoint at all. Unless they get worse which obviously I’ll do more but at the minute they are up and about in the house but feeling like they have the flu.

:ph34r: being the same person you’d expect us to have the same parents!

 

Yeah I’m going to let them get over it and then see if it has changed their viewpoint at all. Unless they get worse which obviously I’ll do more but at the minute they are up and about in the house but feeling like they have the flu.

 

I was thinking about our alias days :lol:

 

I hope they’re ok.

My main concern is the fact that my diabetic sister has been taken in by what they say and is hesitant to get the vaccine. And recently her, her BF and 4 month old baby had what she kept calling a “virus”…I’m like “come on man, stop trying to deny that covid is a thing”.

yikes. breaking now that vaccine passports for nightclubs and events have been scrapped for England.

yikes. breaking now that vaccine passports for nightclubs and events have been scrapped for England.

 

Thank God. The right decision.

 

We all knew this was the end point anyway. Interesting that this gets ditched on freshers week as soon as they realised bullying young people won't work.

I was never completely sold on vaccine passports and if there are enough flaws that people can bypass them then it seems a bit mad. It is sligjtly concerning though that we have no control methods in place coming in to the autumn. I do agree covid is probably always going to be around this 30-40k daily cases for the foreseeable. I'm guessing the CMOs have signed off jabbing 12-15 year olds though..

So there's a passport in Scotland but not England?

 

I'm moving to England if that's the case. :lol:

So there's a passport in Scotland but not England?

 

I'm moving to England if that's the case. :lol:

 

Well, there's still a passport in England - the information exists and is available on the NHS app, you just won't need it to get in to a gig/nightclub or (presumably) big outdoor events.

 

This is classic Tory though, so predictable.

 

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Edit- sorry to hear about your parents Oliver, hope they are both ok and make a full recovery soon. x

I'd be up for vaccine passports but you know that the government would make such a hash of it that it would give ammunition to the anti vaxxers. And just having it for nightclubs and a few other events was silly.

I'd be up for vaccine passports but you know that the government would make such a hash of it that it would give ammunition to the anti vaxxers. And just having it for nightclubs and a few other events was silly.

 

I think nightclubs are where they would be most effective but the cost to the industry would be huge, just not sure it is worth it imo. Think they could still work effectively at large scale events e.g. sporting games, concerts though.

 

Seems like they work well in other countries from what I have been reading, but I do also think it strengthens the anti-vaxx argument and could lead to longer term issues. I think there are more effective control measures that could be in place. I am sure I remember reading an email last week from the ZOE App that cases appeared to be coming down again.