One woman shouted from her car at the protestors "there's a pandemic going", while another bystander shouted "idiots".

 

Good to hear there has been a bit of a 'counterprotest' then to the anti-lockdowners.

One thing I have noticed is that people have their masks fully on when entering stores but pull them down when inside, either fully or to free their nose. :rolleyes: Staff don't say anything. Some remove them all together.

Edited January 9, 20214 yr by common sense

One thing I have noticed is that people have their masks fully on when entering stores but pull them down when inside, either fully or to free their nose. :rolleyes: Staff don't say anything. Some remove them all together.

 

Haven't noticed that, but if a lot of people are doing that, then its no wonder the case numbers are so high. You are putting yourself at a high risk of getting the virus if you do that while shopping with the new strain.

Edited January 9, 20214 yr by Road Salt Mixer

On the lockdown - anyone else thing this ones ridiculous - the amount of cars on the road is a joke - all essential journeys??

Maybe they need to go to work? I know where I live (Glasgow) there's a huge amount of call centres and offices open that don't allow their staff to work from home, plus there's retail staff, recruitment agencies, cleaners, fast food and takeaway staff, petrol and off license stores, coffee shops and cafes, hotels, train station staff, taxis, busses, NHS staff, carers, repairmen and private businesses that need to work to put food on the table.

 

There will never ever be a complete and total lockdown where every single person will be in their home at all times. People NEED to work. People NEED to eat and pay bills and look after their family. The quicker we stop complaining about everyone 'flouting the rules' and accept that the easier it will be.

Cafe and bars need to be open?

 

It’s not about flouting the rules it’s about having a proper lockdown in order to get control of a virus that’s killing a 1000 people a day in the UK. There won’t be an economy or livelihoods when people are sick or dead.

These so-called anti-lockdown activists are actually pro-lockdown activists because it seems they’re enjoying lockdown whereas the people who are obeying the law are the true anti-lockdown activists

Cafe and bars need to be open?

 

It’s not about flouting the rules it’s about having a proper lockdown in order to get control of a virus that’s killing a 1000 people a day in the UK. There won’t be an economy or livelihoods when people are sick or dead.

No. Listen, I agree that a proper lockdown was the answer....last March. It's too late now. The government messed it up even though compliance was as high back then as it's ever going to be. We can push the whole 'SAVE THE NHS!' message all we want and use all the adverts and introduce as much restrictions as we want, but people are over it. The majority of the country done their part and stayed at home and avoided their friends and family for close to a year and most of us have lost our jobs or plunged into debt plus there's all the increases in mental health issues, domestic violence, child abuse, suicides and deaths for non-Covid treatments (that are cancelled).

 

We aren't getting that compliance back. More and more people are realising no matter how much they sacrifice, the goalposts are constantly being changed. First it was 'a few weeks' then it was 'until the summer' then we were told we'd be allowed to mix at Christmas until that was changed last minute then it was 'March 2021' and now it's being strongly hinted that it won't be until the entire population is vaccinated (which isn't going to happen because not everyone wants or needs it).

 

I'm not saying I don't agree with lockdowns but realistically they just aren't going to work as compliance isn't as high as last March. If people need to get their business open or need to see their friends/family at this point I can't judge them. Life is far too short to spend it locked up indoors. People are missing funerals, weddings, births, birthdays, holidays, concerts, sports, gyms, Christmas, New Year, Halloween, restaurants, pubs, sitting in their own Mums livingroom etc.

 

It's time to let go of this idea that we need stronger and stronger lockdowns. Nothing will ever be enough. There's people literally campaigning to close local takeaway shops (even if the food is left on the doorsteps) for f*** sake. Where do we draw the line? There's always going to HAVE to be people mixing somewhere. The entire country cannot stay inside their homes.

So what are you saying just let anyone who gets it and dies die?

 

You talk a lot about government changing the goalposts but ultimately the government can provide guidelines, it’s up to people to show individual responsibility and follow them.

Cafe and bars need to be open?

 

They're not. At least not here in England.

 

No. Listen, I agree that a proper lockdown was the answer....last March. It's too late now. The government messed it up even though compliance was as high back then as it's ever going to be. We can push the whole 'SAVE THE NHS!' message all we want and use all the adverts and introduce as much restrictions as we want, but people are over it. The majority of the country done their part and stayed at home and avoided their friends and family for close to a year and most of us have lost our jobs or plunged into debt plus there's all the increases in mental health issues, domestic violence, child abuse, suicides and deaths for non-Covid treatments (that are cancelled).

 

We aren't getting that compliance back. More and more people are realising no matter how much they sacrifice, the goalposts are constantly being changed. First it was 'a few weeks' then it was 'until the summer' then we were told we'd be allowed to mix at Christmas until that was changed last minute then it was 'March 2021' and now it's being strongly hinted that it won't be until the entire population is vaccinated (which isn't going to happen because not everyone wants or needs it).

 

I'm not saying I don't agree with lockdowns but realistically they just aren't going to work as compliance isn't as high as last March. If people need to get their business open or need to see their friends/family at this point I can't judge them. Life is far too short to spend it locked up indoors. People are missing funerals, weddings, births, birthdays, holidays, concerts, sports, gyms, Christmas, New Year, Halloween, restaurants, pubs, sitting in their own Mums livingroom etc.

 

It's time to let go of this idea that we need stronger and stronger lockdowns. Nothing will ever be enough. There's people literally campaigning to close local takeaway shops (even if the food is left on the doorsteps) for f*** sake. Where do we draw the line? There's always going to HAVE to be people mixing somewhere. The entire country cannot stay inside their homes.

 

Whilst I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying, winter (and especially over the past couple of weeks too) causes respiratory viruses to go overload, which is what we are seeing now. Added this to some tier restrictions which did not really work. Sure the Government needs to be handled to account, but the general public do too. There are lots of cases of people being selfish. The problem is nationally we cannot really afford to keep locking down - the debt is going to cripple us for generations.

 

I think we all now realise that we had to do something again. I suspect the tighter restrictions might be nurseries closing, enforcing people to work from home, tightening up key worker definition. But it poses wider longer term questions for the NHS - we cannot carry on like this. So we either pay more tax to enhance the NHS or we have to look at different challenges. So over the next 10-20 years the biggest attack on the NHS will be obesity and diabetes. We've just had a lockdown so less people are doing exericse, probably a greater increase in these risk factors. So the strain on the NHS is only going to get worse as time goes on as flu/covid are not going to go away either..

No. Listen, I agree that a proper lockdown was the answer....last March. It's too late now. The government messed it up even though compliance was as high back then as it's ever going to be. We can push the whole 'SAVE THE NHS!' message all we want and use all the adverts and introduce as much restrictions as we want, but people are over it. The majority of the country done their part and stayed at home and avoided their friends and family for close to a year and most of us have lost our jobs or plunged into debt plus there's all the increases in mental health issues, domestic violence, child abuse, suicides and deaths for non-Covid treatments (that are cancelled).

 

We aren't getting that compliance back. More and more people are realising no matter how much they sacrifice, the goalposts are constantly being changed. First it was 'a few weeks' then it was 'until the summer' then we were told we'd be allowed to mix at Christmas until that was changed last minute then it was 'March 2021' and now it's being strongly hinted that it won't be until the entire population is vaccinated (which isn't going to happen because not everyone wants or needs it).

 

I'm not saying I don't agree with lockdowns but realistically they just aren't going to work as compliance isn't as high as last March. If people need to get their business open or need to see their friends/family at this point I can't judge them. Life is far too short to spend it locked up indoors. People are missing funerals, weddings, births, birthdays, holidays, concerts, sports, gyms, Christmas, New Year, Halloween, restaurants, pubs, sitting in their own Mums livingroom etc.

 

It's time to let go of this idea that we need stronger and stronger lockdowns. Nothing will ever be enough. There's people literally campaigning to close local takeaway shops (even if the food is left on the doorsteps) for f*** sake. Where do we draw the line? There's always going to HAVE to be people mixing somewhere. The entire country cannot stay inside their homes.

 

The government can't just give up on trying to control the virus and just rely on the vaccines, as Trump's strategy in the US seems to be. Having said that daily Covid death numbers are at the moment similar in the UK than the US in terms of population. It does seem to me that the UK strain of the virus might be deadlier than the US one?

Edited January 10, 20214 yr by Road Salt Mixer

I'm not saying I don't agree with lockdowns but realistically they just aren't going to work as compliance isn't as high as last March. If people need to get their business open or need to see their friends/family at this point I can't judge them. Life is far too short to spend it locked up indoors. People are missing funerals, weddings, births, birthdays, holidays, concerts, sports, gyms, Christmas, New Year, Halloween, restaurants, pubs, sitting in their own Mums livingroom etc.

 

There will be a huge amount of funerals being missed if we don't lockdown. Are you saying to just open everything and let hospitals get completely overrun and crash the system? Thereby causing an increase in deaths across the board, not just from COVID?

 

Compliance is higher than you think. Most people I know are doing their best and London has definitely gotten a lot quieter with less people around since the lockdown started. I think the current lockdown along with the vaccination rollout should work quite well and restrictions should start being lessened by March although we'll still likely have some form of restrictions in place until April-May. Vaccination uptake is promising as well - a lot of people are choosing to get it.

Edited January 10, 20214 yr by Envoirment

There will be a huge amount of funerals being missed if we don't lockdown. Are you saying to just open everything and let hospitals get completely overrun and crash the system? Thereby causing an increase in deaths across the board, not just from COVID?

 

Compliance is higher than you think. Most people I know are doing their best and London has definitely gotten a lot quieter with less people around since the lockdown started. I think the current lockdown along with the vaccination rollout should work quite well and restrictions should start being lessened by March although we'll still likely have some form of restrictions in place until April-May. Vaccination uptake is promising as well - a lot of people are choosing to get it.

 

I can’t speak for everyone but where I live, this is very true. I haven’t been in a supermarket since Christmas but I was in them quite a bit beforehand and everyone was wearing masks. When I go for a walk in the village, though there’s more people out than I’d like to see, people are keeping their distance. No one on my estate is having wild parties.

 

But I don’t think the restrictions are currently strong enough. As has been mentioned, people are still going to work for jobs that could be done from home. Key worker definition has been hugely widened in England meaning schools aren’t as empty as you’d think. I don’t really see the need for nurseries to be fully open rather than just for key worker children.

 

I was following the rules before Christmas exactly as they were. I was going to work and I was going to the gym in the morning. I’m not doing these things now because the rules state I can’t. I know there is a vocal minority who flout the rules and claim it all to be a hoax but I think most are doing their bit within the rules, it’s just the government have chickened out of a full clamp down.

I see the Pope's personal physician has died from Covid complications.

Maybe they need to go to work? I know where I live (Glasgow) there's a huge amount of call centres and offices open that don't allow their staff to work from home, plus there's retail staff, recruitment agencies, cleaners, fast food and takeaway staff, petrol and off license stores, coffee shops and cafes, hotels, train station staff, taxis, busses, NHS staff, carers, repairmen and private businesses that need to work to put food on the table.

 

There will never ever be a complete and total lockdown where every single person will be in their home at all times. People NEED to work. People NEED to eat and pay bills and look after their family. The quicker we stop complaining about everyone 'flouting the rules' and accept that the easier it will be.

 

Recruitment agencies are essential workers that can't work from home 🧐

. Most people I know are doing their best and London has definitely gotten a lot quieter with less people around since the lockdown started

 

 

Yes, the black cabbie along our road stopped working on Friday as there just isn't the work now. Not worth him driving in to C. London and back at night for 3 or 4 fares a day.

God knows why, but my work is still open for people to walk in, order and take it away as well as food deliveries. The amount of people actually walking in to order food is astonishing

Yes takeaways are open. All the chicken and chips shops here are open and pizza, Chinese, Indian etc, just not to eat in. Some are very busy with queues.

Where do you work?

Yes takeaways are open. All the chicken and chips shops here are open and pizza, Chinese, Indian etc, just not to eat in. Some are very busy with queues.

 

They need to be closed for the lockdown and home deliveries allowed only.

 

All sport maybe needs to stop too for the lockdown too I think. Its setting a bad example for kids and young people that the footballers they see on TV are allowed to play football and not socially distance when doing so but they have to. However maybe if the football wasn't on to entertain people, they would be more tempted to go out and flout the coronavirus restrictions.

Edited January 10, 20214 yr by Road Salt Mixer