I'm in the same boat as a number of you on here. It's sad that she's died in the sense that she's someone's mum/grandma/great grandma and a big historical figure. But she's had no meaningful impact on my life, so I'm quite indifferent to it all. I'm not a fan of the royal family in general or the concept of it. So in one way I'm hoping this will mark the beginning of the end for the Royal family. I don't see the likes of Charles or even William being as popular and I feel more recent generations aren't as royalist as previous. So in the coming decades support for the monarchy is likely to decrease.

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and respect those who are anti-royalist or who feel indifferent to the queen passing and I am not one of those who thinks that they should no express the fact it does not affect them or their lives. However I think the jokes and memes being made is just nasty and if you are the kind of person who thinks it’s ok to spew hatred and joke about the death of someone it says more about you as a person tbh. Like thatcher I could not stand the woman and I certainly wasn’t paying tribute to her but I wasn’t one of those downloading the wizard of oz song either, again says more about those that did. My reasoning for not include having a bit of humanity and also acknowledging despite my dislike of a person they are someone’s family and someone’s friend who is currently grieving. Another example is Trump I despise the man and will not be sorry at all when he passes but again a bit of decorum.

 

I do however absolutely hate those who post looking down on others for feeling sadness or grief saying how she wasn’t their family etc but yet grieved for Caroline Flack and posted “be kind.” And yes I am aware that Caroline’s death was far more tragic but the same can be applied to countless other celebs people grieve for publicly.

Iz, Silas, Blcksquare, Jack, Jupiter, anyone I’m forgetting: SAY. It’s refreshing to know I’m not the only one who isn’t deeply affected with the news and enamoured with the Queen.

 

I don’t know why people seem to be mentioning bad taste jokes and memes. Literally no one has posted any here and the tone has been incredibly respectful.

Iz, Silas, Blcksquare, Jack, Jupiter, anyone I’m forgetting: SAY. It’s refreshing to know I’m not the only one who isn’t deeply affected with the news and enamoured with the Queen.

 

I don’t know why people seem to be mentioning bad taste jokes and memes. Literally no one has posted any here and the tone has been incredibly respectful.

When someone like Margaret Thatcher who caused misery for millions, I absolutely will not take the high road and "respect" them, call me lowbrow for it, whatever :lol: I think it says more about people who would rather excuse such behaviour and pretend to respect them because they died personally.

 

As for the rest of the thread, it is interesting to think about how republicanism might rise or be more prominent with the queen gone, I think our generation has already been so affected by the queen and obviously her death now that I don't think that will diminish even in our lifetime, although Charles is less popular he's not unpopular so I don't think the massive royal sentiment in the country will dampen anytime even remotely soon.

Iz, Silas, Blcksquare, Jack, Jupiter, anyone I’m forgetting: SAY. It’s refreshing to know I’m not the only one who isn’t deeply affected with the news and enamoured with the Queen.

 

I don’t know why people seem to be mentioning bad taste jokes and memes. Literally no one has posted any here and the tone has been incredibly respectful.

 

I mean this discussion isn’t limited to purely this thread there is a world outside of Buzzjack too…

I mean this discussion isn’t limited to purely this thread there is a world outside of Buzzjack too…

 

I mean thanks for the thoroughly expected condescending comment from you as per usual. But I’m not sure why you’d want to sully respectful threads like this by drawing attention to something you’re disgusted with. I’ve been working all day so I haven’t checked too many of my feeds but if I saw anything I disagreed with, I’d probably just shrug it off.

I mean thanks for the thoroughly expected condescending comment from you as per usual. But I’m not sure why you’d want to sully respectful threads like this by drawing attention to something you’re disgusted with. I’ve been working all day so I haven’t checked too many of my feeds but if I saw anything I disagreed with, I’d probably just shrug it off.

 

Sorry I thought this was a general discussion about people’s feelings and reactions, mine was a comment on reactions I have seen. Plus either in this thread or the other one there was actually a post with a link to several unkind comments on social media with a question of views on it.

 

Also rich from you calling me condescending when you started by posting “you do you” in the other thread and then low key calling me out with “I don’t know why people seem to be mentioning…” when clearly it was just at me. Clearly it’s only ok to post a view if it fits the views of the majority on here.

 

Why don’t you just block me you clearly hate my posts and never miss a chance to call me out directly or indirectly.

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Sorry I thought this was a general discussion about people’s feelings and reactions, mine was a comment on reactions I have seen. Plus either in this thread or the other one there was actually a post with a link to several unkind comments on social media with a question of views on it.

 

Also rich from you calling me condescending when you started by posting “you do you” in the other thread and then low key calling me out with “I don’t know why people seem to be mentioning…” when clearly it was just at me. Clearly it’s only ok to post a view if it fits the views of the majority on here.

 

Why don’t you just block me you clearly hate my posts and never miss a chance to call me out directly or indirectly.

 

It actually wasn’t only you that brought it up so it wasn’t just aimed at you. It actually wasn’t necessarily aimed at anyone, it was just a general thought. I was generally impressed with the tone last night despite not being affected by the news at all really because it was Buzzjack showing how respectful it can be. Of course, this is a discussion thread so discuss away but I also have the right to air my thoughts which I did quite respectfully.

 

As for the other thread, I just disagreed with you, that’s all. It was me speaking my view that may not fit with the majority whilst also acknowledging how other people might feel.

 

I absolutely nothing your posts if you must know. It’s seems the problem is more yours then mine so I’m not sure why you don’t just take your own advice and block me. Either way, this isn’t the arena for that kind of discussion so if you wish to continue this, drop me a pm because I’m bowing out and not clogging up this thread.

I'm heartened to see that our very own blacksquare has decided to change their avi to a black square in solemn respectful mourning of our dearly departed ex-monarch Liz, and in solidarity with everyone's political hero/inspiration Sir Keir... however, due to my technical incompetence I shall not be doing the same, and so you are stuck with an image of Jessie Ware.

 

But seriously- I was surprisingly actually a little upset when I heard the news yesterday, I'm not too sure why really, I'm definitely not a monarchist and have never been that interested in the Royal Family (just the Royle Family..!). I think it's likely because I lost my grandmother earlier this year, and she was big fan of the Queen and the Royal Family. I should say that she emigrated from Austria to the UK around the time of Liz's coronation and developed a strong sense of connection through that significant moment, as was apparent from the letters she wrote to my grandfather at the time which were read out at the funeral

 

It is obviously a massive historical moment and due to her perceived immense stature this could precipitate the events that eventually cause the seismic shift in public opinion on the monarchy. Whenever I tried to argue with supporters about the absurdness of the monarchy, she was often the first defence reached for, and often quite effectively deployed because she was able to bring the nation together like few others.

 

That said, I do find some of the coverage (well, most of it really) a bit cloying- shutting up Parliament for example so that they can all share trite remarks, meaningless platitudes and weak af anecdotes, while so many issues in our society (collapse of the NHS, cost-of-living crisis etc.) rage on. I don't have any problem at all with people feeling and wanting to show their sadness, I'm not a monster- but I don't like the tone from certain ppl (Piers Morgan's son for one, Spencer?) and anyone attacking those who really don't care.. it's not up to anyone else to tell you how to feel or react, why should it be? It's also quite bizarre to see all these companies changing their logos to black and making bland PR statements, as well as those indsutries and ppl trying to compete with each other for who can demonstrate the most grief, leading to loads of sporting and social events being cancelled this weekend. Some unintended consequences of this being the Hackey Market cancellation leading to potentially masses of food waste.. and uncertainty for small businesses already struggling.

 

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Wall to wall coverage til Sunday on BBC One...

 

Have The Royal Family ever spoke about BLM, cost of living crisis?? No.

 

It was a complete normal day today where I was.

They are acting like she was blown up in her prime instead of that a very old and sick lady passed away over the age of 95.

I’m wondering what’s even being “discussed” in media all these days. How everyone is sad and should abandon all their responsibilities and plans to grief for an old woman they have never met before for the next few months? I strongly doubt there’s any discussion about how monarchy in the country was held by one woman alone all these years. That says it all that monarchy in general is primarily associated with the queen and pretty much her alone, specifically in the rest of the world. So does the UK actually need monarchy or just Elizabeth?

I say we just needed Elizabeth tbh. She wss very popular, cutring across all demographics. I can't see it lasting without her. I think, due to people eanting to be edgy on Twitter with mrmrs snd jokes, peoplr overlook what is happening here: history. The wall-to-wall coversge, whilst cloying, is us living history. They are sssuming nstional grief, and that is fine. They assumed the dsme for Phillip, and overshot the boat by a long way, but I did not feel sad because the medis told me to, and ehat thr mrdia is doing here is showing respect. Given that the Queen's populariy was typically brtween 80-90%!, with the monarchy enjoying around a 75% approval/ support rating with the public, the media is well within its right to sssume signifcant public and HISTORICAL imterest to provide us with coversge. If people aren't interested, netflix, satellite and freeview channels, internet, etc. But for me, this is history, which is of interest whether you agree with the monarchy, or do not.

Do we need the Duke of York??

We absolutely do not need a Monarchy. I’d argue we didn’t really need Elizabeth but she did set the example.

Do we need the Duke of York??

 

No, we REALLY do not. A waste of space in every possible aspect.

Just don't see it. There is no appettie for it in the United Kingdom (heck, look at Scotland's view on if they went indepenent as a country too) and it would take a lot of time for it to grow. Not to say it is out of the question, but even the other head's of state that Iz has suggested, they are still wealthy, educated and privelidged people, it's just less in your face. I think people often forget the Queen was not that popular in the 90s, I'm sure Charles won't be popular as the Queen, but I also feel that experiences the Firm may have got wrong with Charles, they may have got right with William.

 

I can’t see England become a republic ever unless the monarch tried to take power off parliament then there would be a civil war again. Even looking back to the French Revolution the English ruling classes symbolised the stand against republic governments and that where the modern political system and parties developed from - conservatives and Christian democrat parties were the party that opposed the French Revolution and radicals went to the other side.

 

As for republicans governments - well I’m Irish so of course I’m a republican. Misrule from the Uk is what created the Republic of Ireland as a nation.

 

And I do think presidential republics are far better ways to run government. To try and say they are all ‘just the elites’ is wrong. You may as well say all democracies are that way(some of them are)! Michael D Higgins was in the Labour Party and quite left wing if you see some of his dail speeches over the years and Martin McGuinnes stood for president too and he was born in a terraced house in one of the poorest cities in Ireland.

 

Funeral confirmed for Monday 19th.

Somebody shouted "you're a sick old man" at Prince Andrew today, they were arrested for it.

 

Maybe they have a family member who can pay £12million to make it go away.