Streeting just announced he won't stand. Sounds like it may be a Coronation then in early July with Burnham unopposed. Already today been assigned Protection officers.

Streeting is backing Burnham, so I can't really see there being a leadership contest.

Burnham will probably be PM in a few weeks if there isn't another alternative in the party - which really I can't see there being - most of the key players will fall in under Burnham

He should give Jeremy Corbyn his job back as leader of the Labour Party

Who was even the last Prime Minister to serve their full term?

Edited Monday at 10:552 days by DanielCarey

22 minutes ago, Hadji said:

He should give Jeremy Corbyn his job back as leader of the Labour Party

Burnham hates Corbyn and vice versa, isn’t going to happen. Streeting likely to be Chancellor or Foreign Secretary then if there’s no contest. Let’s see how long Burham can unify all the factions, off to a pretty good start.

I’ve never liked Starmer, and some of the things this government have pushed through so far have been f***ing awful. So in that sense I’ll be glad to see someone new take over and hopefully steer us in a different direction of sorts. But it’s not been an absolutely terrible, unsalvageable tenure so it does seem ridiculous that it’s come to this just 2 years in.

10 minutes ago, DanielCarey said:

Who was even the last Prime Minister to serve their full term?

David Cameron I think?

8 minutes ago, Dobbo said:

David Cameron I think?

He did for his first term with Clegg.

Then I think the 2nd time, he left just after the Brexit vote.

And I guess before that Blair did 2 full terms, then left during his 3rd stint with Brown overtaking.

Edited Monday at 11:152 days by ElectroBoy

32 minutes ago, DanielCarey said:

Who was even the last Prime Minister to serve their full term?

Margaret Thatcher served 2 full terms 1979-1983, 1983-1987 and left during her 3rd term with John Major taking over in 1990 who served a full term 1992-1997

Edited Monday at 12:102 days by Hadji

Nevermind Keir Starmer's resignation, I wanna know who that podium guy is? 👀

5 hours ago, Rooney said:

Burnham hates Corbyn and vice versa, isn’t going to happen. Streeting likely to be Chancellor or Foreign Secretary then if there’s no contest. Let’s see how long Burham can unify all the factions, off to a pretty good start.

Nick Robinson said he wouldn't rule out Copper as Chancellor as a safe pair of hands and experience in finance too and her job as FS goes to Streeting.

Edited Monday at 16:292 days by CRAZY CHRIS

A UK full term is 5 years.

Edited Monday at 16:302 days by CRAZY CHRIS

Maybe this will encourage Labour to stop trying to win over people who were never going to vote for them anyway.

7 hours ago, Rooney said:

I think we’ll look back in history and things will be positive for Starmer. Clearly had the right thinking in a lot of aspects. I think Starmer was dealt a very unfortunate hand with the Southport murders and he never really recovered from that.

I also do laugh that the biggest Blairite is seen as the saviour of the Labour. From what I’m reading I do think he will unify the Party and Streeting will likely get a big high profile job. Agree with Dobbo too that we’re in this stage of chopping and changing PMs, which I think weakens people as people think we vote for leaders rather than partiesz

One of the biggest things I measure PM success on is infrastructure set-up and the setting for success for the future, on that the last PM to serve a full term, Cameron, ranks awfully as his government did not prepare for the future in the slightest (nuclear power etc), so yes, I do somewhat agree as some of the best parts of this Labour government in particular has been the willingness to invest in infrastructure like reservoirs and train nationalisation that isn't all that flashy but should pay off further down.

Good at least that it seems like they are setting up to coronate Burnham as King From The North because a whole summer of uncertainty at government direction is not at all what was ordered. I am doubtful whether he can make any meaningful change and if he doesn't then his rhetorical strength over Starmer is pretty wasted, we need him to break out of managed decline.

also I believe the last PM to complete a full term AND get voted out by the electorate rather than removed by inter-party machinations or otherwise resigning, would be Ted Heath, following Wilson who also completed one full term and left (before coming back later). Though that does self-select against successful PMs like Thatcher and Blair that just eventually left office when things finally turned against them.

I do think Starmer was ultimately fine and in no way deserved to have that short a tenure, he was boring and charisma-free but did at least want to get on with the job and made some positive differences that were sadly just not made clear enough and don't make a good headline (Renters Rights, Train Nationalisation etc.), but a boring centrist in this divided landscape thirsty for drama in politics is never going to last, his PR and doom and gloom message was just terrible, and as well documented, constantly trying to pander to people that will never vote for him was frustrating and I'd have really struggled to support him at an election.

It is certainly speaking for the divided and volatile nature of politics that it's been a decade since the PM served their full term (Cameron's first one anyway), it just seems like we want a circus and soundbites rather than people that can just get on with it cos it doesn't sell papers. I would hope Burnham can use his popularity with Labour and with the public to turn public opinion away from Reform, but either way, it's a big gamble for Labour which in the immediate sense, just makes them look like the chopping and changing that the last government did.

46 minutes ago, Iz様 🌟 said:

also I believe the last PM to complete a full term AND get voted out by the electorate rather than removed by inter-party machinations or otherwise resigning, would be Ted Heath, following Wilson who also completed one full term and left (before coming back later). Though that does self-select against successful PMs like Thatcher and Blair that just eventually left office when things finally turned against them.

Doesn't John Major count for his 92-97 term?

2 hours ago, Jessie Where said:

Nevermind Keir Starmer's resignation, I wanna know who that podium guy is? 👀

Apparently he is known as "Hot Podium Guy"- otherwise known as Tobias Gough

18 minutes ago, Gezza said:

Doesn't John Major count for his 92-97 term?

Ah I suppose he would for getting voted out by the electorate after completing a full term, that he wasn’t initially put in Downing Street by the public had me missing him as his full premiership doesn’t neatly fit over full terms like Wilson 1 (though two full elections here) and Heath.

Am I just being really stupid here but why does it make sense for someone to be practically shoehorned in as a MP to then make a leadership challenge 4 days later? What does Andy Burnham know about running the country (even if he does have a history with Labour)?

It feels like we're just throwing anyone at the wall that will hopefully stick. The media have been atrocious with this whipped up frenzy.

54 minutes ago, lewistgreen said:

Am I just being really stupid here but why does it make sense for someone to be practically shoehorned in as a MP to then make a leadership challenge 4 days later? What does Andy Burnham know about running the country (even if he does have a history with Labour)?

It feels like we're just throwing anyone at the wall that will hopefully stick. The media have been atrocious with this whipped up frenzy.

The closest equivalent goes back to when the Tories did it the other way round, When Harold McMillan resigned as PM, Alec Douglas-Home "emerged" as the new Tory leader. There was no formal leadership election at the time. However, at the time, he was in the House of Lords as the 14th Earl of Home. A Tory MP resigned his seat and Home won the byelection. Harold Wilson, as leader of the opposition, frequently referred to "the 14th Earl; of Home" as a way of highlighting his background. That was a contrast to Wilson's working class upbringing.