July 23, 2024Jul 23 I've said it before, and it's probably too late to implement now, but... We have a daily streaming cap of 10 plays per day. Why not make this a lifetime streaming cap, each stream amounting to 0.1 sales (maybe even just 5 plays for 0.2 sales...) This would bring units in line with a sales based model. Whilst the song is being promoted, it will have a spike in sales... Hits that are no longer being discovered are booted out... Labels wanting to pay for playlist space get their manipulated short-lived hits, songs that are still successful in a year's time will probably still get new listeners. No need for ACR or SCR as songs people just play repeated will already have had their sales... Christmas songs will rely on being relevant with newer generations discovering them... New generations can also create surges in popularity for older hits! It just feels like it achieves everything the chart wants to achieve whilst giving every song an even playing field. 3 track rule could then be binned too. People can add sales if they want to buy a download or physicals... YouTube views could rely on a separate, similar method (maybe a lower ration, maybe the same?) I don't know how much people listen to each song, but songs that people like have surely got to easily acquire more than 10 (or 5) plays per person (and songs that people don't like, theoretically will get very few streams per person). I'd be interested an a discoveries chart being launched to test the water though... Edited July 23, 2024Jul 23 by Juranamo
July 26, 2024Jul 26 Regarding Christmas music clogging up the charts, I’d either make a new rule to only allow Christmas songs under 3 years old to chart or remove them completely
July 26, 2024Jul 26 Allow paid music to count for more than streaming, reflect what people actually have to go out their way to get. Give music it's value back.
July 26, 2024Jul 26 1 download is already worth a minimum of 100 times as much as a stream. The number of paid sales is just so vanishingly small that it very rarely makes any difference even with being so highly weighted.
July 26, 2024Jul 26 Is this the worst the singles chart has ever been would you say? Can anyone point to a time where it was markedly worse in terms of stagnation or a real lack of new artists breaking through? To be clear, I'm not complaining as a chart enthusiast, just thinking what do the general public feel who maybe only look at the charts a handful of times a year maybe, if that. I know there are some on BuzzJack who had openly said they look at the tracklisting on a latest Now album and don't have a clue what all the songs are, due to not following the charts as closely anymore.
July 26, 2024Jul 26 Get rid of streaming completely, along with YouTube plays, ACR/SCR and whatever else they’ve added in the last decade. Songs can be downloaded on iTunes again for 79p or 59p later in their run, and every single one MUST have a CD single released at some point to be eligible, sold at supermarkets etc and HMV. A full wall of CDs of every song in the top 40 must be stocked by all retailers by law, and airplay on radio and the return of mediums like The Box and Top of the Pops to help TV play, they can then go over to Magic or VH1 once they’ve been out for a few decades. In addition, songs can only be Christmas number one once, and anyone born after December 1989 is banned from the charts meaning Taylor Swift and Jordin Sparks are the youngest popstars are ever allowed to be. lol. Show me your ID, born after 1989? nah, you're not allowed bruv! Blame your parents! :lol:
July 26, 2024Jul 26 No mentioned album chart yet that sorry states for itself. Get new album come out chart drop straight back out 2nd week every from number 1 last big artist. Because greatest hits album old album choking album chart because them song playlist need massive fix stop great hits song playlist get in album chart They removed compilation albums from the album chart a few years ago and gave it a separate chart, I think they should do the same with Greatest Hits' albums or just combine the two. It's one thing for the biggest pop stars to have years-old albums hanging around, but if their greatest hits collections are doing it too it's just silly imo. Besides this, I saw a point about a song not being able to go on ACR if it was still #1 and I 100% agree with this. I also think they need to do something about resets, it's ridiculous that like a quarter of the chart is just decades old songs when the ACR system is built to prevent this. I realise this isn't really OCC's fault, it's more the industry as a whole, but surely some of these songs shouldn't be charting in 2024? Especially when they reset and either decline for the next three weeks or reset and increase every few weeks by a small amount just enough to keep it going back on ACR. The whole system is confusing for new chart-watchers. And while I don't expect a lot of people who listen on the radio and don't visit associated websites care too much about whether a song is on ACR or not, for anyone trying to get into it it's probably quite confusing to see a song just dramatically fall one week when it's still played on the radio frequently and playlisted high. When I started chart watching again in 2020, I saw people comment on ACR and assumed it was just some made-up phrase they used for songs. Some transparency about songs going on ACR and what it means from OCC would be nice, rather than just implementing it and then never mentioning it again. But apart from that, the charts just get messy. The system isn't perfect, far from it, but atp trying to mess with it when there's not a vital need to is just going to cause more issues than fix them. I honestly prefer Billboard's recurrency system to our ACR rules - keep songs around when they're popular, and boot them when they've obviously left their peak so they don't hang around for years. That being said, Billboard also don't air the charts on the radio as far as I know so I understand the need to keep the chart fresher.
July 26, 2024Jul 26 Is this the worst the singles chart has ever been would you say? Can anyone point to a time where it was markedly worse in terms of stagnation or a real lack of new artists breaking through? To be clear, I'm not complaining as a chart enthusiast, just thinking what do the general public feel who maybe only look at the charts a handful of times a year maybe, if that. I know there are some on BuzzJack who had openly said they look at the tracklisting on a latest Now album and don't have a clue what all the songs are, due to not following the charts as closely anymore. There have been tons of new artists breaking through this year. I remember Joseph posting a list specifically pointing out how there were a lot more first time charting artists than at the same point the previous year not too long ago. As for stagnation, I direct you to 2016...
July 27, 2024Jul 27 Is this the worst the singles chart has ever been would you say? Can anyone point to a time where it was markedly worse in terms of stagnation or a real lack of new artists breaking through? I would say the back end of last year/first few months of this year saw a quite notable amount of previously commercially unknown artists managing to fly up the charts seemingly out of nowhere (Djo, Artemas, Michael Marcagi, The Last Dinner Party, YG Marley, Dasha, Teddy Swims, Tyla, Kenya Grace, Noah Kahan, Benson Boone just from memory), in addition to a perhaps unexpected plethora of artists hitting the upper regions of the chart (Hozier, Natasha Bedingfield, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Mitski, The Beatles, Troye Sivan, Chase & Status again from memory) - certainly at a much more frequent level than we've seen between the end of the iTunes era (late 2015) and the end of 2023. admittedly we are going through a particularly stagnant period chart-wise these last few months bar the token top 10 entry or two every week, but I'm quite sure the turnover in hits will pick up over the next 4-6 weeks I recall following the charts between 2016-19 when a top 10 new entry was a true novelty only reserved for the very biggest of artists (who seemed to have a constant monopoly on the upper echelons of the charts... think Ed Sheeran, Drake etc.) & the likelihood of a critically acclaimed track getting much higher than low top 40 was slim to none. for me at least, the charts are more intriguing from a musical perspective than they have been for some years regardless of the obvious lull in new tracks/artists we're going through at this point in time Edited July 27, 2024Jul 27 by hinterland
July 27, 2024Jul 27 As for stagnation, I direct you to 2016... !! I would take 3 months of Sabrina vs. Sabrina over 15 uncontested weeks of 'One Dance' in a heartbeat x
July 27, 2024Jul 27 I was looking at charts from the 80’s and 90’s and the only real difference now is the time they hung around for. There was definitely a quicker turnover. So perhaps ACR can be slightly altered to increase the process. Brand new entries get 5% boost first week 2.5% the second week. Entries that decline from the top 10 lose 5% 1st week. All a bit complicated but perhaps the only viable change available
July 27, 2024Jul 27 Imagine if the adrianreavill83 singles chart existed Unironically, making my own personal chart makes me get less worked up about what does/doesn't become a hit. Not just because I indulge in my own fantasy, but because with hindsight I can't even make the best-aging decisions about it myself sometimes, so why throw stones :lol:
July 27, 2024Jul 27 Get rid of ACR and the three track rule. Move the chart show to Radio 2 and get Paul Gambaccini to host it for a full three hours, playing every song in full. Edited July 27, 2024Jul 27 by chartjack2
July 27, 2024Jul 27 Get rid of ACR and the three chart rule. Move the chart show to Radio 2 and get Paul Gambaccini to host it for a full three hours, playing every song in full. Or keep it on radio 1 and move it back to Sundays from 4-7. The chart should’ve remained on Sundays and not be moved to Fridays in the first place Edited July 27, 2024Jul 27 by Hadji
July 28, 2024Jul 28 This been best year for me since left listen official chart on Friday Sunday not listen since end January. Eejoy my own chart more these days thank buzzjack member leave official chart best thing I did enjoy more new music not song get stuck chart over over 6 month
August 1, 2024Aug 1 I think a 70 streams:1 sale ratio might be natural if only 10 streams/day count (although I highly doubt any1 buying a single streams it 10 times a day), also make free and premium streams equal, although I'd probably see how I could use the insider data, like how many listens are in the average single purchase, how many unique listeners vs. streams etc. I think listens should be prioritised over songs earnings, people with less money who aren't as able to purchase streaming services or singles should have the same count as people who do, although there are people who have access to neither electronic devices nor physical singles and just listen to the radio so radio audience should maybe count but that's a whole other thing. I think the cool thing about sales only though is that unconventional singles could hit high the charts like O Superman probably wasn't a radio smash or being spun in homes like a Madonna song was, but it still reached #2! Part of the push and pull of whether it's better to be exciting to follow or to be accurate. To prevent songs not hitting the top 40/10/#1 because of bad timing, I'd have ACR based off how long ago it peaked rather than when it entered the chart Get an initial chart based off of only units and make the changes starting at #1 and working down -If its peak was recent, like within the last 3-6 weeks (including current week), keep it there no matter what -If the peak was before that and it was released around a season ago, take a cut of units off -Different numbers for older songs possibly, like maybe x0.8 for songs released w/in the last year and x0.4 for songs with the last 3 years or maybe it's peak needs to be w/in a shorter period or something like that, not sure if it's better to have a gradual system or a category based on release date buckets I think it's tricky trying to balance the charts, a chart with no restrictions just the units is incredibly static and seems unmaintained: like when I see the Global 200, it's sorta like the Spotify or iTunes or genre charts meant for glancing at how high ur fave is time to time or to use for commercial trending or something and not actually watching it weekly; while too many rules can seem arbritary, like just that companies whim. That's the battle between Chart Watching and making the Chart seem credible
August 3, 2024Aug 3 If EVERY single was sent to radio first then released after 4-8 weeks that way we could have chart runs like: 1-1-2-4-8-11-16-23-30-28-35-52-64-79-99 Or 3-10-12-17-22-31-41-54-67-86 Or 12-27-36-50-72 Or 7-19-36-64 Or 13-42-75 We would have higher turnover of singles and more variety hitting the top end.
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